How Hip-Hop Failed Black America

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  1. richmondgator81

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    I agree completely. They invent soul, gospel, blues and jazz...and then hip hop.

    One of these things is not like the others.
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  3. tim85

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    Good music never goes away. In 50 years will anyone be listening, singing or walking around humming any current hip hop?
  5. tim85

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    Probably not, but will they listening to, singing, or humming anything musical from this era? Seems unlikely. The classics that are the classic now: The Beatles, 'Stones, etc will still be the classics then, I think.
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    But did it exist in black culture music?
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    Not even remotely close.
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    it did in many of the old blues tunes. they were just better at working them into the lyrics. let's not forget the role of women in early rock and especially metal music.
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    One of the few run-ins my son and I had was when he pulled up to the house blasting rap out of his car so loud you could hear it two blocks away. I could deal with the rap but not the words which were being broadcast. That and it was intrusive to our neighbors.
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    There's a young white guy who cruises around the UNF parking lot in a VW station Wagon blaring the most egregious rap music, I mean, the really obnoxious stuff - and I can't help but laugh at the irony of this white guy listening to this stuff in that specific car. Escapism I guess.
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    I don't think it was ever as egregious as it is now, I'll give you that. Our culture likes to take things to the extreme in any way they can.
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    Anything to be thought of as cool.
    I don't think anyone really liked heavy metal music, but it was cool to say you did.
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    I've listen to a lot of blues by the old black greats and have never heard that kind of language.
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    They could actually sing. They've didn't have to resort mind numbing & boring gutter language to be successful.
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    I don't know how it evolved, so much gutter language in the entertainment world.
    Sitcoms, standup comics and music have hit bottom as far as creative output is concerned.
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    Remember songs like "War" by Edwin Starr, "For the Love of Money" by the O'Jays, "Papa Was a Rolling Stone" and "Ball of Confusion" by the Temptations, and "Wake Up Everybody" by Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes? R&B and soul music always had a strong moral center.
  17. anstro76

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    Without putting a ton of song titles up I disagree somewhat. Most soul was about love, sex, or dancing
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    True, but they were all gifted vocalists & musicians who actually possessed talent.
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    You'll get arguments that rap takes talent, but I've been known to use the word "talent" in connection with clever bathroom graffiti. Doesn't mean I'm willing to pay for it. Many are. To each his own.
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    Not all rappers are talented, but there are some true wordsmiths out there. Some possess such skill at turning a phrase that you recognize their intelligence right away

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