How Hip-Hop Failed Black America

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    I think like wgbgator said, it kind of started as this niche musix, and really - maybe that's when it was at its best.

    It reminds of something I always think about some bands I'm into : interpol, clap your hands say yeah, and more recently youth lagoon. Their first records are special, they're nobody. Then they release it, get a good review on pitchfork, and they're never the same band again, and I just ended up jaded and disappointed. I think it's a similar thing happening. Notoriety and success definitely changes everything for most of them.
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    I've always had a theory about this. A band's first album is years in the making. It's a lifetime of songs and work and ideas. Albums after that are made in a year or two, and that's a tougher.
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    Joey Bada$$, Earl Sweatshirt & Action Bronson are pretty good.

    I realize for some people the whole Odd Future crew is either love/hate, especially Tyler the Creator.
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    Youth Lagoon is awesome. Saw him live last year.

    On the hip hop tip, I saw Deltron pretty recently. Also a great show.
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    Drove 2 hours to see Del on a school night (I had awesome parents) in high school play some tiny bar in Tallahassee and he no showed. bummmmmmmmer
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    Sucks that you had to purposely go to Tallahassee. Oh, and miss Del too.
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    I can boil it down to one sentence: "Modern music sucks."
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    Eh, get back to your crappy Geddy Lee and jazz fusion threads on the pub.
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    The well is deep and you have nothing to draw with. There is Maroon 5 for you.
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    True that. For whatever reason the Cow Haus there got the best hip hop shows in Florida. Think I saw Souls of Mischief, The Grouch and Jurrasic 5 there.
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    Yeah, they're a bit bizarre for me.

    Really into Youth Lagoon, especially that first album - just really great. Would love to see him live.
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    Oh snapp, hip hop and their hoes and b!tches.
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    Drake and especially Kanye are complete mysteries to me. Again, there is some slick production, and there's a certain value in that. But if they are fronting your movement then I can't be bothered to waste precious calories joining in.

    "George Bush doesn't like black people." Deep thoughts Special K, fight the power!
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    Alanis Morisette Syndrome. But I think it may indeed be true that hip-hop suffered (or took advantage) of this more than any other genre. I had a box full of CDs from acts that I couldn't even recall. I sold them all to a DJ for $20 and years later he told me he had forgotten about even buying the box, never used them.
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    I mean, Kanye is an idiot. He's a textbook narcissist with one of the largest egos I've ever heard of. That being said, I'm not even a big hip-hop fan but his stuff is just so sick, I can't help but respect his talent. I really think he's on another level.
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    It's undeniably grandiose and he clearly has skillz and I'm a sucker for that. That's why I have more than one Lil' Wayne product. But I can't help but think he's completely replaceable. I feel like he just has access to more processing power (and that's not a metaphor).

    But full disclosure, I do have two Kanye albums. But if it buys me any credit back, I often question those decisions.
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    Who is more demeaning and embarrassing to their race , Kanye or Daddy Duck ? Since I am a blue eyed Caucasian I will have to say the Duck Dynasty welfare kings..... Am I a fan of most hip hop ? No, give me the Sugarhill Gang , George Clinton, DMC and the Beasties,,, dat was good chit....
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    Take that shit out of this thread please. Damn. Some of you have to ruin anything and everything.
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    Lighten up Francis. What was your point on this rambling incoherent thread?
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    I don't know man - I've read some interviews from other guys in the scene, I can't remember who it was just recently I heard someone talking about Kanye, but back before he was the Kanye we all know of today, there were quite a few people saying, "This guy is going to be something special one day..." Ah, it was Dave Chapelle! He was on one of the evening talk shows recently(Seth Meyers?) and he was saying how he met Kanye when he younger and how they all kind of knew he was going blow up into something big. But it's definitely possible he's just got the resources to be successful.

    What really sold me on him was this:



    What he did with Woods by Bon Iver is just awesome. I was a pretty big fan of Bon Iver, so to see him take such an out there song like that and do what he did with it I thought was just pretty nuts.

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