How far does the stock market fall...

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  1. gregthegator
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    today...9/30...and then continue to fall til one side caves in....1%, 2% or more?

    or we headed for martial law?
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    How much did it fall the last time this happened? Did we have martial law then?
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    It will fall some. But far less than you think. It's the Fed that controls the market. When Bernake turns off the fake support.... look out below!!
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    "fake support"
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    A lot of the far right wackos don't own stocks they own gold

    A lot of the far left wackos don't own either.

    So the basically, the lunatic fringe doesn't give a damn what will happen to stocks or bond yields. Unfortunately they seem to have way too much sway for the rest of us, especially right now.

    But fortunately imo, in the end, it just makes the lunatics less and less credible.

    maybe the Tea party and OWS should merge ;)
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    Yes, Not only are a vast majority of citizens addicted to govt hand outs, but so too are businesses.
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    How is it "fake?"
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    The main reason uncle Ben didn't cut the QE ad infinitum is because the commies new they themselves were going to shut the government down over Obama-scam and they could blame the already inevitable stock market crash on the Pubs.

    So the kept the free money flowing to artificially prop-up the stack markets a little bit longer. The Dems are control freak commies, but their not stupid. They know exactly what they're doing and how they'll attempt to blame the Pubs for the coming crash.

    They'll try to blame the Pubs for the government shut down and the Market crash that follows.
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    as Hillary would say what difference does it make
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    Good a term as any for monetizing debt as security purchases not backed by actual demand in the marketplace.
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    That must be it!
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    thought this was relevant considering...
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    Considering it's 9/30?
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    Buying your own debt with fiat currency = fake support as in abnormal; as in unnatural. But you already know that.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/43268061
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    Even if you think that floating bonds is fake or that fiat is fake, the support provided is very real, regardless of source.
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    My take on the Fed's position is like being on a road and suddenly it ends at a body of water and a massive fog bank. They just know that there is land out there so they start building a bridge with the idea that it will eventually reach something substantial again. So yes, the bridge isn't fake, just an unproven expectation of something good is going to manifest itself with enough investment.

    How long do you build out there in the emptiness before you decide that your expectations are misguided? I agree that they should have tried it in the beginning (QE1) but after that you have to let nature work things out.
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    That's a pretty crappy analogy, honestly. What the Fed is able to do (and this is not new, they've been doing it for decades) is infuse capital places in the hope that it accelerates commerce before the currency itself is devalued.

    With the bond buys, it's essentially creating debt - there's nothing fake about it: people are BUYING U.S. debt, it's not the Fed buying their own debt as someone erroneously suggested above.

    It represents less than 1% of the total monthly trading volume ... does anyone really think it's a make or break proposition?
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    ...um, okay.....
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    Yes, Wall Street. It may be more symbolic in your opinion but it represents money spent today that won't be available tomorrow. Also, how do you negotiate around the notion that the Fed buys bonds per month ($85B) that represents roughly the yearly reduction in spending increases from the "draconian" sequestration?
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    If 85b per month is chump change, why do it in the first place, and why all the tapering fears prior to fed meetings?

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