How does a difficult 2013 season affect 2014 recruiting?

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  1. robertgator
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    The age old question -- does a difficult, 7-5 or 6-6 season in 2013 affect us in recruiting in 2014? or does the early-playing-time carrot cancel it out a difficult season?

    (for what's it worth, i'd hope they give Muschamp another couple years to right the ship on the offensive side of the ball; he's in his first head-coaching stint, he has massive upside, he's got to learn his way through some offensive lumps.)
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    f$u had a bunch of crappy seasons (a string of four-loss seasons in the ACC) & a horrible o-line, then public talk among boosters the last couple of years about firing Jimbo Fisher (if I recall, last year to stave off firing he met w/ a bunch of boosters & re-sold them on his vision for the program.) Doesn't seem to have affected their recruiting.
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    Not quite right. '11 was the year that Fisher really had some problems. We dropped a bunch of games we should not have and then didn't win the ACC Championship. The ACC Championship game was the goal for that year and it felt like the program had lost momentum. Additionally, the FSU President wouldn't give Fisher an extension and there was talk about him having to bring in an OC to help with the play calling.
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    Every kid is different. Some of them want a clear path to a title, and, brutally, we can't really say we offer that right now. Some of them are looking for playing time, either for its own sake (games are fun) or for the way it presents the quickest path to the NFL.

    We've certainly lost a fair number of recruits who thought they saw more playing time at other schools. That's part of what killed us in 2009, which is a class that's haunted us for years. It would be nice to be on the right side of that this time.
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    I honestly think that recruiting is near the bottom of the list of our worries as Gator fans. Other than landing stud OL (we have numbers, just not 5 star talent at this point), this staff can recruit as well or better than any in the nation. Especially TRob - how the heck he can convince Lane and Cook to come here earns him "recruiter of the year" IMO.
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    we won't have any issues recruting, at least on the defensive side of the ball. i'm a bit concerned with the lack of play makers we have brought in on the offensive side.
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    more concerned about the plays than the playmakers right now.
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    Champ is recruiting and recruiting well. He just missed on some good offensive talent the last couple of classes bit we were right there till the end. This year is much different, grier, cook, and lane plus possibly adoree jackson among others, he has some O talent coming gotta give him time. Most of his recruits are still young, normally guys dont come straight out of hs and jump on the field ready. There are some but its more of an exception than the rule. Even famous jameis and johnny football sat a year on the sidelines.
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    But what can we show a recruit what florida offensive football looks like. There is not a reference point to lean on.Honestly I am shocked we have done as well as we have
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    Sorry to be Debbie Downer but if I was a WR I would have serious doubts about committing to UF right now.
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    Funny, but I have heard the same argument on these boards going back to Zaunbrecher's offense. Yet we keep signing highly talented receivers and we keep putting them in the league.
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    I'm hoping a certain RB from Miami Central feels the same way.
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    wouldnt you have said the same thing last year?
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    The last WR drafted into the league was Riley Cooper at 159th. And before you say that CM has only been here for three recruiting classes/2.5 seasons: Tell me what WR on this team you think has shown draftable talent/skills on a consistent basis or more importantly has had the opportunity to showcase those skills? What WR will be going in the 2014 draft? Recruiting good athletes on promises that things will change and playing time can get old. If I was a rival coach I would be having a field day.

    Rd. (Overall) Name Pos. Team
    2013
    1 (23rd) Sharrif Floyd DL Minnesota Vikings
    1 (32nd) Matt Elam S Baltimore Ravens
    2 (50th) Jon Bostic LB Chicago Bears
    3 (85th) Jordan Reed TE Washington Redskins
    4 (104th) Jelani Jenkins LB Miami Dolphins
    5 (164th) Mike Gillislee RB Miami Dolphins
    5 (166th) Caleb Sturgis K Miami Dolphins
    6 (169th) Josh Evans S Jacksonville Jaguars
    2012
    4 (114th) Jaye Howard DE Seattle Seahawks
    5 (159th) Chris Rainey RB Pittsburgh Steelers
    2011
    1 (15th) Mike Pouncey OL Miami Dolphins
    2 (63rd) Marcus Gilbert OT Pittsburgh Steelers
    5 (151st) Ahmad Black S Tampa Bay Buccaneers
    7 (217th) Maurice Hurt OG Washington Redskins
    2010
    1 (7th) Joe Haden CB Cleveland Browns
    1 (18th) Maurkice Pouncey C Pittsburgh Steelers
    1 (25th) Tim Tebow QB Denver Broncos
    2 (53rd) Jermaine Cunningham DE New England Patriots
    2 (54th) Carlos Dunlap DE Cincinnati Bengals
    2 (62nd) Brandon Spikes LB New England Patriots
    3 (75th) Major Wright S Chicago Bears
    4 (113th) Aaron Hernandez TE New England Patriots
    5 (159th) Riley Cooper WR Philadelphia Eagles
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    Field day huh?

    They said during the fsu game yesterday that they haven't had a WR drafted since 2002! That's 11 freaking seasons. Don't be so dramatic. It's not like 100 schools put wr's into the draft every year.
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    1) We are not 100 other schools. 2) I am merely pointing out that we are not presenting the most enticing scenario to HS WR.

    And by the way misinformation is often worse than no information. My guess is they said 1st round:

    2007 Lawrence Timmons LB Pittsburgh Steelers 1st (15)
    Buster Davis LB Arizona Cardinals 3rd (69)
    Lorenzo Booker RB Miami Dolphins 3rd (71)
    Mario Henderson OL Oakland Raiders 3rd (91)
    Chris Davis WR Tennessee Titans 4th (128)
    2006 Ernie Sims LB Detroit Lions 1st (9)
    Kamerion Wimbley DE Cleveland Browns 1st (13)
    Brodrick Bunkley DT Philadelphia Eagles 1st (14)
    Antonio Cromartie CB San Diego Chargers 1st (19)
    Willie Reid WR Pittsburgh Steelers 3rd (95) Leon Washington RB New York Jets 4th (117)
    Pat Watkins S Dallas Cowboys 5th (138)
    A.J. Nicholson LB Cincinnati Bengals 5th (157)
    2005 Travis Johnson DT Houston Texans 1st (16)
    Alex Barron OT St. Louis Rams 1st (19)
    Bryant McFadden CB Pittsburgh Steelers 2nd (62)
    Ray Willis OT Seattle Seahawks 4th (105)
    Craphonso Thorpe WR Kansas City Chiefs 4th (116) Jerome Carter S St. Louis Rams 4th (117)
    Chauncey Davis DE Atlanta Falcons 4th (128)
    Eric Moore DE New York Giants 6th (186)
    2004 Michael Boulware LB Seattle Seahawks 2nd (53)
    Greg Jones RB Jacksonville Jaguars 2nd (55)
    Darnell Dockett DT Arizona Cardinals 3rd (64)
    Kendyll Pope LB Indianapolis Colts 4th (107)
    P.K. Sam WR New England Patriots 5th (164) 2003 Anquan Boldin WR Arizona Cardinals 2nd (54)
    Alonzo Jackson DE Pittsburgh Steelers 2nd (59)
    Montrae Holland OG New Orleans Saints 4th (102)
    Brett Williams OT Kansas City Chiefs 4th (113)
    Todd Williams OG Tennessee Titans 7th (225)
    Talman Gardner WR New Orleans Saints 7th (231) 2002 Javon Walker WR Green Bay Packers 1st (20)
    Chris Hope FS Pittsburgh Steelers 3rd (94)
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    Although I didn't introduce the comparison I will use it to support my assertion that we are not presenting the most inviting situation for WR's:

    Passing Yardage:
    UF FSU
    2010 184 210
    2011 186 257
    2012 146 265
    2013 175 341

    We have, to say the least, some difficulties at QB and OL, they have a potential Heisman candidate who has at least 1 more year. Again, I did not invite the comparison just using it within the argument.
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    Fact is, we got a top rated WR last year, and have one committed this class and next class.

    Fact is we have Will Grier coming in who will be throwing the ball the majority of their career.

    Winston may never throw these kids a pass if they redshirt. And very few even if they crack the 2 deep.

    Coaches can spin any scenario any way they want.

    If you have a bunch of kids recently drafted at their position, you use it. If you don't, it really doesn't matter.

    But go ahead and be negative. It's no skin off my nose.
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    By your assessment of drafted people, then why don't we have OL lining up since we have had 4 drafted since 2010? You show we haven't had a receiver drafted yet we have commits from Lane and Phillips, and not to mention we got Robinson last year. Maybe these kids see they can be a difference in an area where we have struggled. Recruiting is based on relationships. Champ is doing work.
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    We hold on to the recruits we have an add some OL and DL... we will be back. We have some excellent players that will be evident next year... down year but some growth will occur and we will be competing once again for Championships

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