House whip count: 46 votes in favor of Syria attack right now — and 169 against

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    Who knows but if this holds true the spin machine will be in overdrive..

    http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/...or-of-syria-attack-right-now-and-169-against/

    That’s what Think Progress says as of 4:30 p.m. ET. The big caveat: Many of the yays and nays aren’t firm. TP’s trying to divine intent from casual statements made by House members about how they’re likely to vote, which is especially dicey in the case of Democrats who might be whipped by the White House and Pelosi later to come through for O in a pinch. If the tally’s right, though, then opponents of intervention are already within 50 votes of winning with more than 200 representatives (and nearly 100 Republicans) still undecided.

    Time to panic in the West Wing?

    As members of Congress consider President Obama’s request to authorize military force in Syria, following evidence that President Bashar Assad’s use of chemical weapons killed over 1,400 people, a ThinkProgress analysis of the public statements of 289 Representatives found that 169 lawmakers have either decisively ruled out supporting the measure or say they are unlikely to back it.

    Just 46 of the 289 members of the House of Representatives said they will definitely or likely vote in favor or the resolution. Seventy-four are undecided.

    Of the 169 nays, 124 come from the GOP and 45 come from liberal Democrats. The obvious strategy here for undecided Dems, then, is to sit back and wait to see if Republicans can produce 49 more nays on their own to defeat the measure. There are 98 undecided GOPers, so if they split exactly in half then the resolution is dead and Democratic fencesitters can go ahead and vote yes en masse. That way they can say they had Obama’s back while not fearing too much backlash from the anti-war remnants of their base for supporting a measure that ended up dying anyway. What’s truly worrisome for O here is that, even on the Democratic side, there’s slightly more early opposition than there is support (just 35 votes). That means he won’t be able to scapegoat the GOP for blocking the resolution if the House torpedoes it.
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    Sounds good, fingers crossed.
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    Just say no
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    Do the right thing... PLEASE
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    If other strong nations were committing troops, hardware, money I'm sure more of us would be on board.
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    If something passes, it will be fairly limited in scope. It wouldnt be the worst result, but ideally it fails.
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    I hate to see innocent people getting killed but is one side over there less evil than the other?
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    This is the case in most conflicts, though. People are people.
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    let's see---OP cites a source coming from 'Hot Air' that is quoting a GOP spin Blog?

    'hot air' describes OP's posts in general.

    in any case, I don't doubt that Congress may be against military action with BOTH GOP as well as Dem politicians voting against military action. Are they(pols of both parties) basing their vote on principle or on trying to have spin that they aren't pro military action?
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    I hope, but doubt, that the voting is based on the position of the majority of Americans.

    Without regard to politics, the "action" is more likely than not to have unintended consequences in the mid-East and elsewhere.
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    Lets arm both sides and let them kill each off
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    It will pass.

    The Dems will wait for the GOP to act first. Boehner, the nutlees wonder, has his marching orders.

    It is nothing more than a drama show at this point.
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    If the chart above is right, 20 more no votes and it fails.
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    Undoubtedly, some of the collateral people that would be killed in a "missile spanky-spank response" by us, would be innocent, along with some Russian nationals and probably some really bad Syrian people.

    But suddenly a little gas and 1,400 dead is worse than 100K plus, killed by bullets and bombs in the last two years.

    Makes really good sense, all of it.
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    No more "police" missions. Please make it stop!!
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    I think this is dead in the House. The only way it would pass is if Assad were to gas our embassy. And that was closed in 2012. Therefor, it will not pass. Good for the house to not following marching orders for the members to do what they feel is right.
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    Based on things I have seen from actual House staffers, I'm not sure that it will pass, but they are suggesting that it will be a heck of a lot closer than the initial whip counts are suggesting - essentially that they believe the vast majority of the eventual opposition will be those that have already announced their opposition.
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    no and both sides are our enemy

    on top of that prezBO's shot over the bow will do zilch
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    I agree Bill. The only thing a "limited" strike will do is make us look foolish. It won't solve a thing except further alienate the US from the rest of the world IMHO. That and perpetuate our standing as a war thirsty nation.

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