House proves that atheism isn't a "religion"

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    Thank Hitchens!

    "Washington D.C. - The U.S. House has approved a measure that bars the Defense Department from appointing atheist chaplains. The vote, late Tuesday, was 253-173.

    "The notion of an atheist chaplain is nonsensical; it's an oxymoron," said Rep. John Fleming, R-Minden, sponsor of the amendment to a House defense spending bill. He said it marks the third time the House has voted to insist the Pentagon appoint only chaplains certified by endorsing religious agencies.

    Opponents said it is wrong to take away the flexibility of the military to appoint chaplains that can serve the spiritual needs of all military personnel. ..."

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2013/07/house_passes_fleming_measure_t.html
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    I mean, it kind of makes sense, doesn't it?
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    Any set of dogmas that are not amenable to reason can be considered religious.
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    Atheists of the world, untie !
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    Nice to see their laser focus in jobs, the deficit etc.

    But the issue here isn't that atheists aren't chaplains, duh. It's that the thousands of atheists who have probably gotten injured over the years should have the same ability to talk to someone of similar belief as them, just like the religious folks.
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    So atheism is a religion then?
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    Certain varieties of it might be.
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    They do, don't they? It's called mental health.
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    So the atheists who hold their views superior to everyone else need to bend someone's ear in times of trouble?

    What could possibly be so troubling in the world that you've got figured all out?
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    doesn't seem like there would be much for an atheist chaplain to do
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    I have no idea, I am not an atheist.
    But everyone on some level has issues with death and loss, I don't know who or what an atheist would need, just seems preemptive by congress to take away the military's ability to potentially help them in order to seemingly defend religion. I really can't imagine a scenario where without this bill we would be overrun by people running to the military to become atheist priests.
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    Pass out Atheist tracks with the inspirational message: This is all there is.
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    If you don't believe in a higher being, why in hell would you want to confide with an equal, in a time of stress?
    What could they say," let's not pray together"?
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    Problem solved. Get rid of all the chaplains and just let all the troops go see therapists.
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    Mental health isn't just for 'therapy.' They're there for just about any concerns you could possibly have, as well as numerous other outlets like a multitude of hotlines. Outside of specific spritual needs, that is. However, if you're an atheist, odds are you won't have those.
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    I know. I just used the term therapist loosely. Call them counselors or metaphysical advisers.
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    Atheist chaplains? What's next, OB/GYN services for men?
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    Why not? Doesn't the atheist or agnostic have an equal right as religious-minded troops to speak with someone in such a capacity as a chaplain that might share their general meta-physical views of the world?
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    Probably want and need that as bad as they do getting last rights read to them on their death bed!

    Chaplain:
    1: a clergyman in charge of a chapel
    2: a clergyman officially attached to a branch of the military, to an institution, or to a family or court
    3: a person chosen to conduct religious exercises (as at a meeting of a club or society)
    4: a clergyman appointed to assist a bishop (as at a liturgical function)

    An atheist wanting to speak to a non-religious chaplain makes perfect sense, really it does! Except for the part about a chaplain being a religious figure.

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    You are letting your want of snark get ahead of actually reading what I wrote before that. The chaplaincy in the military is not that large so they work with troops of all denominations or no religion.

    So why can it not be that this position--call the position what you will--can't also be assumed by folks who don't belong to any religion or may not believe or don't know that a god exists?

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