House considers food stamp work requirements

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    The values in the Bible actually cut *against* taking from one to... well, not "to do" anything, it stops there. The value in the Bible cut against taking things from people. Your good intentions in doing bad things are meaningless, they avail you nothing in a spiritual sense. It verges on blasphemy to suggest otherwise. You can't grab "render unto Caesar" and "give it to poor" and squeeze then together and come up with a workaround for "thou shalt not steal" on behalf of those who step into the role of Caesar, I am sorry.
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    Short sighted. Toothpaste will cut the need for medical care later.

    Dental problems can cause other medical problems.
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    So do you hate roads or not... Or is it only help for those with the greatest need do you hate. Do you hate rendering unto Caesar for all things, or just the ones who need the most help.

    While you can feed a few with loaves and fishes, it takes a larger entity than ourselves to feed the many.

    Taxes will happen at the same rate no matter what. I just prefer seeing our people helped, instead of those that can care for themselves.

    So what would you spend that money on, because spent it will be.
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    We all need the bible.

    That said your implied reasoning is way off base as MichiGator illustrated...

    We should help those who cannot help themselves but that is not what our government is doing. We now have people who turn to the government rather than Christ and instead of building people up we have created a system of dependence with no consequences...

    I am confident dad was referring to those who are not truly disabled if that was what you were getting at with your comment.
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    So, you think you have the right to dictate how I spend my money. Talk about hubris. Welfare is nothing but state sponsored theft from those who are taxed.

    To answer the first sentence in your second paragraph, that is what charity is for, not government. With charity, I can make the decision as to whether I want to support it with my money or not. Then, it is MY choice. With state-sposored theft (i.e. Welfare), it is not my choice.
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    The House can vote for anything they want. The Senate is controlled by the loons.

    Also, with the Obama economy, where do they get this work? Bring back the WPA.
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    I'm a liberal(as many on the board can confirm)

    I happen to believe that there should be work requirement for those applying for aid/assistance

    There is a fly in that whole premise though--

    it would mean increasing the bureaucracy even more to verify that applicants for aid are actually working or seeking work

    I happen to be against freeloaders bilking the rest of us. That goes for those who abuse the system in regard to food stamps, etc as well as those who are extremely wealthy getting money from us that they don't merit and are simply taking what they can get away with.

    I believe, in addition to a work requirement that there also be a time limit to aid/assistance that would basically be a tapering down of aid/assistance while the person has just started working and continues to work.


    I believe the goal of any assistance program be such that it sees the person thru temporary rough spot till they are fully self sufficient.

    And that long term or lifelong aid/assistance be solely for those who are totally incapable of work. That people should work even if it is tasks you see people at centers for people with Down's Syndrome doing.

    bottom line---if a person wants self esteem ---it is necessary to do esteemable acts----and that includes work
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    then all taxes to you are "nothing but state sponsored theft"

    feeding the needy has a tangible positive effect directly on you, me, and everyone, that you probably cannot even see.....and if we eliminated it, you would see other areas of gov spending needing to rise, like policing, as crime rates would soar.

    and what gives you the right then to dictate how I spend my money?

    that being said, i don't have a problem with some reasonable work requirements
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    No, they are not all "state-sponsored theft". When the state takes from one demographic to turn around and hand that back out directly to another, it is "state-sponsored theft". When a tax is applied to a tax-payer for the purpose of defense, infrastructure, postal service, etc (those areas specifically stated are the federal government's responsibility in The Constitution), then it is not theft by the state.

    Welfare, on the other hand, which includes food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security, as well as others, is "state-sponsored theft". The government takes money from tax-payers and redistributes it DIRECTLY to other citizens. That is socialism, which is anathema to the Founding Fathers, as well as most conservatives today.
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    hate to break this to you, but SS and Medicare are paid into :shhh:

    also hate to break this to you, but its not just income tax that pays government bills...a large portion of welfare recipients are paying taxes in some manner, and while you and I may not need to be on welfare, we are able to apply for it if need be...its like paying into health insurance

    if welfare was an anathema to our Founding Fathers, certainly our Supreme Court would agree would it not?

    but we can end welfare, and that money can go to policing, judicial system, and jails, which will then feed, clothe and nurse them at a higher rate :grin:

    and last, GOVERNMENT IS A SOCIALISTIC ENTITY
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    I only kick the cane when I need a laugh.
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    You do realize that 5% of $80 B annually is $4 B. And that is if the 5% figure is true. I would guess with most government programs the fraud part is 5% and the abuse is 5% and the waste is 10% and we are now up to $16 B annually on SNAP which is what the US Postal Services losses are this fiscal year. Now you add it up in other programs and you see how we can easily cut $100 B from social programs and entitlements and who does it hurt....why the crooks of course.

    I deal with a customer who tells me stories all the time on the abuses in Medicaid and Medicare and it is a multi-billion $ industry just doing the analytics to slow it down.
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    how is subsidies and such to corporations and wealthy not the same sort of 'theft'?

    how is a person in NY paying taxes for an interstate in Ca not theft if he is never going to drive on it?

    how is it not theft to force someone to pay taxes for postal service now if the person does not utilize postal service and has gone to doing all communication on internet instead of postal service.

    How is it not 'theft' to force a taxpayer to pay taxes for military that overspends(via backdoor deals) in procurements of equipment and supplies(not all the money is going to military-much of it is going wrongly to corporations gouging the govt/taxpayers)?

    try think about your comments before posting

    or---it just seems that your stance is----things you value that taxes pay for is not theft, but things you don't agree with are.
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    Food stamp work requirements would be an excellent step forward. Not cheap, of course, since that implies monitoring. But would be a good step forward for those on food stamps.

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