Holder's DOJ sues Louisiana to stop school vouchers

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  1. JerseyGator01
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    Liberal logic = spaghetti (so hard to follow).

    We live in the era of the fat white liberal lawyer. All bow.
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    And it cracks under pressure.
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    It's actually Pubs who're not in favor of choice and doing a very good job of hiding it. Bobby Jindal has been successful in severely cutting public education dollars, effectively creating these so called "failing" schools in the effort to divert those reduced public education dollars to private, for-profit charter schools.

    If a pub like Bobby Jindal really was for choice, he'd not severely cut public education to the point where children have little opportunity in their public school.

    Rather than scream Dems aren't in favor of education "choice".....do away with the smoke and mirror tactics and admit conservatives want to be rid of public schools in favor of taxpayer funded private, for-profit charter school corporations.

    http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2012/03/gov_bobby_jindal_education_ove.html

    http://gov.louisiana.gov/index.cfm?md=newsroom&tmp=detail&articleID=986&printer=1
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    There you go again, blaming a Pub (Jindal) for the failures of society. I'm sure more money for the teachers would bring about better teaching from said teachers. :roll:
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    This isn't about failures of society.....it's about education. You're moving the goalpost here.

    And it isn't about money for teachers but services, supplies and materials for students.

    It isn't about "blaming" Jindal.....it's a fact that he's slashed public education and focused taxpayer dollars on charter schools. His reform plan centers on charter school growth, not public school improvement.

    I provided the links to support all this....blaming Dems or saying they're against choice falls flat.
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    Yeah, right.
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    Sad thing is that Dems always see more money as the solution.
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    Handy thing to say to divert attention from the real goal and put Dems on the defensive when it's conservatives that are moving toward putting billions of taxpayer education dollars into for-profit, private charter school companies.
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    Is this what you see? I see that as competition for tax dollars. This is the best way to insure all kids get a better education.

    But, this in not what I'm advocating, Nana.
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    I have a daughter that will be going to school in a few years and I'll be evaluating public versus private. I don't know how these charter schools perform but I think they'd have to be more efficient with their dollars since they're trying to turn a profit and if they don't perform well they won't get more students. This is all assumption as I haven't looked for studies on the issue. While not a charter school I'll probably send my daughter to Jesuit out here and pony up the 16 grand a year. Having attended both public and private schools myself I know the learning environment is superior at private schools which is a major benefit.
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    I don't see competition between private and public education when public education is slashed to the barebones and then further stretched to financially support not just the public schools but charter schools. That's not competition.
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    Well your preferred method sucks so why not try alternatives?

    There are also plenty of non profit charter systems that are sucessful and making wiser use of each dollar rather than pay a fat bloated administrative beaureaucracy that sucks money away from where it should be spent - in the classroom.
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    Yes, 'competition'. :wave:
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    How is it a viable alternative when a state like LA is using the same pot of taxpayer dollars to fund both public and private, for-profit charter schools.....starving one (public) and shifting those dollars to charter schools. Basically moving from a public system to a private, for-profit system still funded by state tax payers. Not much of a difference except the charter schools companies will be profiting.
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    Where's the competition when none exists.
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    Maybe he's weeding out the bad schools that don't teach their students enough?
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    If they're using the same funding pool they need to shut down public schools to match demand. If they're going to have a number of public school students switching to private charter schools and keep all the same schools open with the same amount of staff they will obviously run into financial problems.
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    Read my post again. It did not reference diverting public funds to for profit entities.
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    Having at some point attended normal public schools, private schools, and public magnet schools, a public magnet school with a good curriculum model seemed to be the best learning environment in my opinion (obviously setting post-secondary education aside since the magnet model doesn't exist in that setting in the US).

    And somewhat ironically, given the original topic of this thread, the primary impetus for the creation and maintenance of magnet schools in the US was to use them as a method for complying with desegregation orders in the face of "white flight" by voluntarily drawing white students to schools that, before the magnet program was introduced, had a disproportionately minority student body.

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