Hernandez: "GOD Put Me In This Situation For A Reason"

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    i love the double standard when it comes to religions

    When a self-described Christian does something wrong, "they weren't really a Christian"
    When a self-described Muslim does something wrong, "It's Islam"
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    Love the PMA/optimism!

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    I don't disagree. I've seen all too often though that upon release many forget all about their new found religion.
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    I think if someone does something "In the name of Christianity" or "In the name of Islam" it does play a role. At least to their motivation. This wasn't done in the name of Christianity. If he were Muslim the same would apply. Islam wouldve had nothing to do with it. For me anyway.
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    In the case of a Muslim doing something wrong, it can be called the result of Islam if the wrong doer derives his authority for the wrong doing from the words of the Koran. If not, then it's not Islam, it's the individual.
    Christians do things wrong all the time and they will not always be Christlike in their actions even if they have accepted Christ.
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    Let me help.

    Bona fide Christians are not sin-free, but generally try to avoid committing acts that they know are sinful, such as murder, whenever possible. You can commit a murder and still be a bona fide Christian while doing it, but obviously God does not want you to do it. In other words, you are not murdering in service of God, or to make Him happy, and if you commit murder, you do not do so in the name of God or in the name of Christ.

    (As a brief aside, if a Christian continually chooses to sin, knowing in advance that what he is doing is wrong, it makes it hard for him to get his heart back in the right place and re-establish the relationship. Some folks think Christianity is "once saved, always saved;" without knowing one way or the other, I do think someone could abandon the relationship by doing intentional sinful acts, over and over, such that the heart becomes hardened again, sufficiently such that God - whose hand of forgiveness is always stretched out - nevertheless gives the person exactly what they want.)

    When a self-described Muslim commits murder of a heretic, reprobate, apostate, or infidel (or perhaps, in the finest Jihadist suicide tradition, anybody) - in the name of their god - they are doing so because they either think god wants them to (the Koran commands them to in the name of Allah, etc.); or that by doing so, they will be pleasing Allah . . . and that oh, by the way, they will be gaining a heavenly reward for doing so. Muslims also commit everyday kinds of murders just like any other population, so without the specifics of who is claiming credit or the circumstances, it may be hard to tell on the face of it, just what kind of Muslim murder it was, i.e., specifically invoked in the name of Allah . . . or not.

    Maybe you can see the difference.
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    "You can commit a murder and still be a bona fide Christian while doing it, but obviously God does not want you to do it. In other words, you are not murdering in service of God, or to make Him happy, and if you commit murder, you do not do so in the name of God or in the name of Christ."

    Does the Old Testament count? Because if it does, you surely can murder in the name god
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    For the Jews, in the old days, before Christ, yes the OT counts.

    Jesus completed the Hebraic law, and it no longer applies to the Christian.
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    On Punishing ‘Immorality’

    Leviticus 20:9

    If anyone curses his father or mother, he must be put to death.

    20:10 If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death.

    20:13 If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.

    Deuteronomy 22:20-1 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the girl’s virginity can be found, she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done a disgraceful thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house.

    Exodus 35:2

    For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.

    ....On Destroying Other People

    Deuteronomy 7:1-2 When the Lord your God brings you into the land you are entering to possess and drives out before you many nations .*.*. then you must destroy them totally. Make no treaty with them, and show them no mercy.

    20:10-17 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. .*.*. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

    *****However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them—the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites—as the Lord your God has commanded you.


    On the Evil of Biblical Law

    Ezekiel 20:25-26 I also gave them over to statutes that were not good and laws they could not live by; I let them become defiled through their gifts—the sacrifice of every firstborn—that I might fill them with horror so they would know that I am the LORD.
    On Slavery & Subjugation of Women

    Ephesians 5:22-24 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

    Exodus 21:20-21 If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.
    1 Peter 2:13 Submit yourselves for the Lord’s sake to every authority instituted among men.
    2:18 Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to those who are good and considerate, but also to those who are harsh.

    Leviticus 25:44-45

    Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property.

    ...Jesus, on His Second Coming

    Matthew 24:29-34

    [T]he sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. .*.*. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. .*.*. I tell you the truth, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. [Emphasis added.]
    16:27-28

    For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what he has done. I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
    Scientific Errors

    (1) Rabbits don’t chew cud.
    Deuteronomy 14:6-7

    You may eat any animal that has a split hoof divided in two and that chews the cud. However, of those that chew the cud or that have a split hoof completely divided you may not eat the camel, the rabbit, or the coney.
    (2) No insects (including grasshoppers) are 4-legged.
    Leviticus 11:20-22

    All flying insects that walk on all fours are to be detestable to you. There are, however, some winged creatures that walk on all fours that you may eat: those that have jointed legs for hopping on the ground. Of these you may eat any kind of locust, katydid, cricket or grasshopper.
    (3) This is only possible on a flat earth.
    Matthew 4:8

    Again the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor.
    (4) pi does not = 3.
    1 Kings 7:23

    He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim .*.*. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.
    (5) The earth moves. It does not have a foundation.
    Psalms 104:5

    He set the earth on its foundations; it can never be moved.



    Selected Contradictions

    (1)
    2 Kings 2:11 As they were walking along and talking together, suddenly a chariot of fire and horses of fire appeared and separated the two of them, and Elijah went up to heaven in a whirlwind.
    John 3:13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.
    (2)
    Numbers 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
    Exodus 32:14 Then the Lord relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.
    (3)
    Ephesians 2:8-9 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith .*.*. not by works.
    James 2:14-17 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? .*.*. Faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
    Revelation 22:12 Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done.
    (4) (Jesus speaking)
    Matthew 5:16 Let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your father in heaven.
    Matthew 6:1 Be careful not to do your ‘acts of righteousness’ before men, to be seen by them.
    (5) (Jesus speaking)
    John 14:27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give you.
    Matthew 10:34 Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.
    (6)
    Genesis 32:30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and my life was preserved.”
    Exodus 33:11 The Lord would speak to Moses face to face, as a man speaks with his friend.
    John 1:18 No one has ever seen God.
    (7) (Jesus speaking)
    John 5:31 If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
    John 8:14 Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid.
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    I think you are on to something, here. People do have a way of picking and choosing the parts of the Bible they want to follow. I've had people tell me that if you "Love Jesus" and "Ask for Forgiveness", then you can go to Heaven, no matter how bad of a person you are on Earth. So, that said, there does seem to be a theory that Christians should embraces and try to "save" the worst people on Earth. AH might love Jesus, and Jesus might still love AH. So maybe everything is OK. I really don't know.
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    OK.

    So whut ?
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    You don't see anything wrong with any of those passages?
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    It's particularly galling when a self-professed Christian commits some atrocity in the name of God, and you see all these Christians dancing in the streets and celebrating it....

    No, wait...
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    I am of two minds about it. I can certainly see his letter as being delusional, but I also can see it as maybe, just maybe, that he didn't do it and that the current circumstantial evidence which has been put out by the police might actually look very different when all the facts come out (if all the facts come out).

    Indeed, as you say, anything is possible, and quite frankly, our system has led to the conviction and imprisonment (and maybe even death penalty) of plenty of factually innocent people.

    It's not looking good for him right now, but we know from experience this very well could change, and I am not one who implicitly trusts police interpretations without scrutiny.
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    That you think they are contradictory or something, and therefore bolster your atheism ?

    No prob.
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    I THINK they are contradictory.. HA! Did you read the part labeled "Selected contradictions"

    And speaking of the horrors of the OT.. Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).
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    When did atheists become more "preachy" than Pentecostals?
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    If you were more than a superficial consumer of Biblical wisdom you might know what Jesus meant by this statement.

    He also said whatever those in whom he placed authority would 'bind' or 'loose', would also likewise be bound or loosed in heaven. Make of that what you will but the authority of the Church rests on having received that commission.

    One of the earliest declarations of the recognized authority in Jerusalem was to declare it unnecessary for male Gentile converts to the fledgling faith to undergo circumcision. IOW, it was not required of them to become Jews before becoming Christian. And because they were not required to become Jews they were not subject to the burdensome practices required of religious Jews observing the Mosaic laws. Those requirements were fulfilled.

    Jesus also said, "My yoke is easy, my burden is light." By this statement he was saying he did not require of his followers many of the onerous religious practices previously laid on them by other Jewish religious schools such has the House of Hillel and the House of Shammai.

    However, most Christian denominations today have stepped into that gap by placing onerous requirements of belief to anyone professing Christianity. Rather than making it what a person does, they have made it about what a person must believe. Beyond ridiculous and just as pharisaical as what Jesus railed against.

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