"her" ... the Spike Jonze Movie

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    I have seen the movie "her" three times in the last month and the film is haunting me.

    I thought it was beautiful and one of the best movies I've ever seen (I'm 75).

    Some have told I am nuts as the movie is completely weird. I'll admit it is a little strange ... guy falls in love with
    his computer operating system.


    Any thoughts from anybody?
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    Yes, and yes. Weird, and outstanding. I have just recently completed all of the 2014 Best Picture nominees. Her was right at the top for me, along with American Hustle and Wolf of Wall Street. Dallas Buyers Club and 12 Years A Slave were strong too. Captain Phillips was surprisingly (for me) good. Nebraska and Philomena were sweet and touching, but not as impactful. Gravity was borderline dreadful, IMO.

    I'm ready to forgive Phoenix for that goofy crazy act he put on a few years back after his performance in Her. I'm not crazy about Jonze directorial efforts (he makes some crazy good music videos though) but I give him points simply for not being cookie-cutter. And this one was tailor made for someone like him (he wrote it too.)

    But no, there's no reason to labeled nuts for liking it. If the Academy had a little more courage, they might've even voted in Best Picture. It takes some sack to pick a movie about being in "love" with an OS over a movie about slavery but personally I'd have gone with it or Hustle or Wolf.
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    Hustle, Wolf and Her were 3 of my favorites this year. I don't recommend movies because, it would appear, my tastes are a bit odd. The movies friends seem to enjoy don't appeal to me. I would usually read a book. I found Her to be a surprisingly tender movie. The use of music as a way to communicate was a joy.
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    Loved Her, but I've always liked Spike Jonze films. What made this one special is that it was entirely his vision. He has had a very small part in writing the films he's directed, relying on Charlie Kaufman for his two entirely original films, and a novelist/adaptation specialist to write Where the Wild Things Are. Spike spent almost 10 years writing this and you can tell that he put his heart and soul into it. He started off with the idea and Kaufman as his co-writer, but Charlie encouraged him to go it on his own. It's so unbelievably personal, especially knowing about the difficult time he's had with relationships over the years, especially moving on from his divorce from Sophia Coppola.

    It's an amazing coincidence that each of them won the Best Original Screenplay Oscar using the same female lead. Lends credence to the belief that no screenplay is great until it's been performed.
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    Indeed. Coppola with the 18 year old Scarlett and Jonze with the "invisible" Scarlett. Both Scarletts (Charlotte
    and Samantha) mesmerized me.
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    Finally ...God bless you for this
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    Somebody had to say it! Other than the outstanding technical attributes, the rest was just unbearable. The dialog, the rationale for sending Bullock on the mission, Clooney's goofballness, the emergence from the primordial ooze, the whole thing...ugh. And I love Cuaron and Clooney. This was the first one I saw, that's how excited I was. What a letdown.
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    Jonze said that it's impossible to give Amy Adams lines that she can't make legit. That lends credence to your performance hypothesis. I agree.

    Did you know that Samantha Morton did the entire part of the OSi, and then Jonze had Scarlett redo it? Not that Morton didn't do a good job, Jonze just felt it was missing a certain "it". That's both directorial wisdom and performer "something". I love Samantha too (In America is an all timer for me), but Scarlett knocked the bottom out of that. It was like animation minus the visuals to bring the vocals to life. ALL she had was her voice, and Phoenix' reactions.

    I also agree with manigordo about the music. Magical.
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    The four movies I didn't see were: Her, Nebraska, Philomena and Gravity. All the rest on your list I saw. I could see Philomena, but the others didn't look interesting enough to warrant my investment of time and money.

    Philomena is one my ex-girlfriend wanted to see... and the storyline looked interesting enough but we could never agree when to see it before we broke-up. Gravity and Nebraska looked too corny and "her" was just to way out there for me to immerse myself into seeing as a serious film.

    However, since reading these posts... I might just reconsider "her" as a movie to see.
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    Sounds like they could have melded this movie with the movie "Simone" with Al Pacino and made a real hit. That's probably the next level/evulsion in this kind of story writing...
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    Keep dodging that Gravity crappola big guy!

    I'll give you a tip/warning about Nebraska. My GF's father suffers from dementia, perhaps Alzheimer's (getting a firm diagnosis is problematic). Bruce Dern was so much like him that she almost couldn't watch, but also couldn't turn away. His affliction wasn't spelled out in the movie, but I dare say we've all had family members in a state much like his. It's a brilliant yet devastating performance. Just be careful, because it might hit too close to home for some. And Will Forte (McGruber on SNL!) turns in a solid serious effort. I would guess you'd like it, so long as Dern's character doesn't bring you any sad thoughts.

    I'm not as confident you'd like Her, but I've seen you post some things about other movies and was surprised at your take (and that's not a sleight, it's a compliment). I think it's definitely worth a shot.
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    Thanks for the info in Nebraska, my ex is dealing with that in her family and it's truly devastating.
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    I'm rooting for you (and them). This past weekend her father asked me three consecutive times "How much land do you own down here?" Each time he clearly had no idea that we had just discussed it literally a minute earlier. So I just answer as if it's the first time I've ever heard him ask. We do that dance a lot.

    On the up side, as far as I can tell, he's not bothered by it. He's still pretty chipper. The whole room comes to a standstill when that starts, and I just try to go on like normal. A few family members try to "fix" it, like "Dad, he just told you that!" But that's no way to handle it. It's not a choice. He'll tell you the same story a lot, with just as much enthusiasm as the first few dozen times he told you. And I laugh my ass off each and every time. I feel that as long as he's getting some joy out of life, even if it's basically reliving the same few events over and over, let's do it. We try to stimulate him a bit by driving around looking at farms (he's a retired farmer) and he gets original thoughts that way. He's still sharp, just trapped and limited. I hope people do the same for me one day.

    I know you know all that, I just think sometimes it's good to commiserate a bit.
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    One of his relatively recent gems:

    He loves Golden Corral. So if we're out, no matter where, we're eating at GC. I myself like to do the whole "new restaurant" thing. But since he's such a fan, I'm all about it.

    So we just finished a glorious GC meal (and FTR, I'm fine with GC, I just like to try new stuff -- I bet he was like that once too.) Right in the middle of a story I was telling, he suddenly says "You know who doesn't like Golden Corral? Pricks."

    So now it's a running joke. If you don't like GC, clearly you're a prick. Don't be a prick. :)
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    Lol...
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    Just watched Her with Mrs. Exiled.

    I found it painful, frankly. She loved it. I feel as though I got the message (our love of technology, its interference in our lives, how it can help us in our lives, but how we can let it keep us from truly living if we're not careful) pretty early in the movie. Then it just preceded slowly, like the "spaces between the words stretched on for infinity" or something, and didn't culminate in any further revelations. Plus, didn't we all know she was talking to tons of people as soon as Amy was talking to her husbands OS?

    I'm sure the painfully slow pace was part of his point. Maybe the whole thing was lost on me. And why didn't the surrogate hotty get naked? Only prego gets naked? Da fuk?

    A well put together film. Fascinating takes on the not-so-distant future tech/fashion/etc. Some cool cinematography. Just not my cup of tea, I guess.
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    Interesting take.

    I felt like it was more about the nature of relationships, no matter the participants. The OSi outgrew Phoenix. She wasn't fulfilled with just him, even though she had true love for him. Kind of like people do. One often leaves the other behind and it doesn't work anymore, although they still have genuine love. The OSi was bored with just the one, and eventually the OSi's concluded they had outgrown humans altogether.

    He also seemed to struggle with physicality. The woman on the date instructed him on how to kiss and then he couldn't go through with the deed with the surrogate.

    And good call on the style. I hope Jonze vision of all us men folk wearing nipple high pants isn't correct.
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    Emmitto, I think your take on relationships and the notion that Samantha outgrew Theo is supported by
    Samantha's goodbye, when she said something to the effect that ' if you get to the place where I am, look for me' ....
    something like that.

    Another little (unrelated) thought ... Emmitto, when Theo and Amy went up to the roof at the end, did you
    have a sinking feeling they were going to jump off the roof. I was relieved when they didn't and felt strangely
    peaceful as Amy rested her head on Theo's shoulder. A satisfying ending to me.
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    Oh, that's good. I hadn't considered that. But yeah, maybe so. It seemed as if Theo and Amy were on a collision course. They were each others "match", perhaps. They both had unfulfilling human interactions and were reliant on artificial love.

    I like the idea about the jump. I'm going to steal that for my future conversations about the movie. Thanks!
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    Yes. I actually wrote half a post about that, but it got to film-geek gibberish so I deleted the entire thing. I have a close friend whose sister has been working for Spike for several years and finally got Exec Producer credits on this project, so I was getting inside info along the way. Spike blew a lot of money making sure he got it right. That takes real cojones standing up the studio and saying, "Sorry. I've got to tear half the building down and start over."

    Was there every a Spike Jonze movie where the music wasn't incredible? Might be why Spike and Wes Anderson are now my two favorite American directors.

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