Help me out about why FSU is ranked No.1.

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  1. Vindibudd

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    Legitimately asking the question, not saying they shouldn't be, but I think a lot of things just happened to go their way last year, like playing a collection of the worst teams in college football, D-1 teams that had a total record of 74-78 before they came from behind against the only good team they played all year. Their defense wasn't tested last year, so I just don't really see what's so great about them. Am I missing something?
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    Because until the NCAA strips them for suborning sexual assault and obstruction of justice, they are the reigning national champions, and with that schedule they have a strong chance of finishing undefeated as well as injury free going into the decisive weeks of the season.

    Does that help?
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  3. Vindibudd

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    So because schedule?
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    I think schedule probably has more to with it than it should. I think voters try to predict where the teams will end up rather than who is the best right now. If you factor in a permissive schedule, then you would probably have to put SWAC over Alabama. But if you had to put them head to head on a neutral field, I would have to choose Bama to win four times out of five ... not that making the choice between two intrinsically unethical programs makes me any less ill.
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    Two questions for you OP. Who should be number 1 and where would you rank FSU going into the season?
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    Clemson finished #7 in the country so I'd say that counts as a good team. FSU beat them in their place by 37. That doesn't count as a good win?

    Also Duke finished #21 and outplayed Texas A&M in the bowl before losing on a pick-6 at the end. That Duke team was extremely competitive. FSU beat them on a neutral field by 38.

    If you don't think these count as good wins, what does?
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    They're the defending champions and they return a Heisman winner at QB. Pretty much the same reasons why we started 2009 ranked #1.
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    SEC teams.
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    Okay. FSU beat both the SEC's top offense and the top defense, both away from home.

    Also I think the 30 point win in the Swamp is noteworthy. No one else beat the gators nearly as bad. Yes UF was injured, but that same UF team nearly beat #4 South Carolina in Columbia 2 weeks earlier. What does that say?
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    Alabama and 4.
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    Clemson also had a good record playing in the horrific ACC, so no. And Duke? Do I really have to talk about Duke? They came from, behind against Auburn on a neutral field in the only tough game of the year.
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    So a team on a 2 game losing streak and without a quarterback should be picked over a team returning the core of its 14-0 team that broke NCAA records? Got it.
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    Duke clobbered a Miami team that a completely healthy UF lost to.

    And Clemson has shown they are a legit program with wins over Georgia, Auburn, LSU, Ohio State the last couple years. Those aren't ACC teams are they?
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    Dude, Florida was terrible last year and not just because of injuries. Beating them was no accomplishment, and using them as metric in any way is asinine.
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    Um, no. UF was preseason top 10 last year, and they received that preseason ranking because they returned the core of their '12 team that finished 11-2 and nearly went to the National Championship. Are you saying the '12 team wasn't good? You are implying that. Especially when you call the pre-injury '13 team terrible. It was essentially the same team.

    And don't forget, despite all the injuries UF did finish with the SEC's best passing defense. They also finished with the SEC's best pass efficiency defense. And before FSU came to town, they were #2 in the nation in pass efficiency defense. It's not supposed to be easy to move the ball downfield on the #2 pass defense on their home field, but FSU did. Winston was 19-31 for 327 and 3 TDs with a tipped ball INT early in the game.
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    OK, if it makes you feel better: Florida was awesome last year. And while we're at it FSU and TPD did not obstruct justice to enable a criminal, without whom we're not even having this conversation because Tricket would not have gotten you a sniff of any type of championship.

    By the way, whorechant is at a different address.
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    Why? Alabama's schedule isn't any more difficult than FSU's.

    Alabama Opponent-------------------FSU Opponent

    Auburn................12-2...........................Louisville..............12-1
    LSU......................10-3...........................Clemson...............11-2
    Texas A&M...........9-4............................Oklahoma St.......10-4
    Ole Miss................8-5............................Notre Dame..........9-4
    Miss State.............7-6.............................Miami...................9-4
    Tennessee.............5-7.............................Syracuse...............7-6
    Florida..................4-8.............................Boston College.....4-8
    West Virginia........4-8.............................Wake Forest.........4-8
    Arkansas................3-9.............................Florida..................4-8
    FAU........................6-6.............................NC State...............3-9
    Southern Miss.......1-11.............................Virginia.................2-10
    Western Carolina..FCS.............................The Citadel..........FCS

    No, FSU is ranked #1 because (a) they are defending MNCs, and (b) they return 15 starters, including the heisman Trophy winner. The schedule helps, but it isn't that weak. Put the pom-pom's down and get a grip, people.
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    Without Winston FSU still would've gone to the national championship game. Their closest game all season was BC, and FSU led them by 21 in the 4th quarter. FSU didn't break a sweat all season. Having the #1 ppg defense means a lot. People forget they had the #1 ppg defense. Having the #1 defense and a reduced but still very good offense would've still made FSU undefeated in the regular season. The scores prove it. They wouldn't have been as dominant, but they still would've likely won all their regular season games.

    By the way Trickett wasn't on FSU's roster last year. If FSU needed a backup it would've been Jacob Coker. You know, the guy who might be quarterbacking the team (Alabama) that should be ranked higher than FSU?
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    This I doubt seriously. This is akin to saying that Florida would have still won the MNC in 2006 if Leak was injured or the 2008 MNC if Tebow was injured. Experience cannot be bought. Winston's presence was massive, which was why he won the Heisman.

    Or might be still sitting on the bench...
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    You're not much of a Crim fan if you don't realize that Trickett only transfered after Jameis "Therapist" Winston won the starting role in the spring last year, and if there had been any serious investigation of Winston he would not have won that role. And apparently you also forgot that Coker suffered a season-ending injury during practice last year. If Winston had been treated like one of us common folk, then Trickett would have been your starter.
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