Healthcare Exchange Rate Analysis

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    Of course! Insure millions of elderly, out of shape, young, and sick who didn't feel the need or couldn't pay for insurance, and everyone else's rates go down at the same time.

    In D.C. that math does make sense.
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    Only for the ones who didn't have insurance before. The rest of us foot their bill.
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    the entire issue of the uninsured could have been handled without screwing up everyone elses healthcare-this is not about health insurance or health care this is a power grab pure and simple-otherwise there was no need for prezBO to lie to the American public
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    We told them. Their heads are too far up Obozo's ass to hear it.
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    You all realized that the thread title and source was misleading. I was trying to get libbies like Fred to actually click the link and read the article (Forbes). Much like Obama lied his ass off to get Obamacare passed and now nobody is signing up because they found out what is in it! LMAO

    Hey Pelosi- We read the POS and don't want it.
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    You could put the full truth in front of Fred and some others on here and they'd never admit to it. If a Republican told them that rain came out of the clouds in the sky, they'd say it's Bush's fault and that, in fact, the rain is supposed to come out of a zebra's behind.
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    One point that identifies the disingenuousness of the Obamacare rollout:
    * They are minimizing the private market crowd "it's only 5%" who purchase their own insurance - unrelated to work
    * While at the same time using some Orwellian phrase/talking point about "having the freedom to create" implying that Obamacare's advantage is that it's not tied to employers!

    Okay, so cripple the market for 19 million folks who buy their own insurance - and are not tied to an employer - so you can set up a market for___________ # of folks, at a price ________ higher than what they pay now, subsidized by taxpayers to the tune of _________ dollars annually. This makes great sense.
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    But I trust Pelosi, Reid and Obama!!
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    It will always be "well it's only ___" or "their insurance was bad to begin with", until they themselves are affected, or someone important to them. Then all of a sudden it's a bad deal. At some point it'll reach a much higher number, and then it'll be all about how the government knows better and we're nothing better than children who aren't capable of making any kind of informed decisions.
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    Ok...so who are you impersonating here? fred or chompy?

    Or both? :laugh:
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    Any one of the number of Dem/Lib lemmings being led over the cliff.
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    TJ, you do realize the rest of us will need to pay for their disability after they go over the cliff? And we are likely paying for their housing, Snap Cards, day care, health care and phones "pre-cliff". They think we should pay more.
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    LMAO... so damned true.

    Rep. Check you User CP. :wave:
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    Spot on. It is so bad with them, that if Hussein and his entire family were filmed/recorded/viewed by millions.....in the act of clubbing baby seals to death, the libs in here would support it--defend it---justify it---and condemn anyone who found it wrong.

    It is a real, and very serious mental disorder worshipping Hussein and anything associated with him.
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    Enough with the holier then now BS, you guys are the equal opposite of the people you point the finger at

    Whether it be your party or the private sector you think is the solution to everything

    And it will be a pleasure to highlight it the next time a Republican is in office

    You're going to see that any person that gets elected will be a corporatist first and foremost

    Then one day, hopefully when you guys get kicked in the face enough by your own expectations, both sides will come together to demand real campaign finance reform, instead of pretending "free speech" should allow our democracy to be run into the ground by the highest bidders

    I'm not in love with the ACA, but I do acknowledge that the only way to get Universal Healthcare passed, was to do it this way....Privatized
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    First off, this is not a conversation about campaign finance reform, it's about the so-called Affordable Care Act. The first step in a losing argument is to change the subject, or attempt to do so.

    Second, how can you possibly stand for something that is the antithesis of "Free Speech?" Because with Free Speech comes Free Will. God, Allah, whatever gave it to all of us. All of our choices, both good and bad are ours and we own them. For the government to assume that they know what coverage is best for us is ridiculous and smacks of the type of government that this country has gone to war to topple repeatedly. It reeks of Communist regimes throughout the world that also knew "what is best" for its citizens.

    Third, there can't be true health care reform until the insane costs of healthcare in general are addressed.

    Fourth, just as Social Security will eventually disappear as a result of a similar situation, you cannot continue to build an infrastructure of care for such a large group of people carried on the backs of so few. What the ACA does is give free care to a lot of people (or subsidized, but again, where do the subsidies come from) on the hope that healthy adults will somehow agree to pay 20, 30, 40 percent or even more than what they currently pay "out of the goodness of their hearts." I'm sorry. I have two kids. I don't feel like taking food out of their mouths to help pay for the healthcare of someone else who perhaps decided that being on welfare was a good enough job occupation.

    The United States has an ever-aging workforce whose hours are being decreased, benefits are being cut, and now are going to be asked to pay more and more out of pocket - either through the exchanges, or increased taxes to make up for the shortfall.

    And before anyone else continues to point to Canada - if it's so great, then why do their patients that can afford it cross over HERE to NY for care, and come here EVERY WEEKEND to shop? We're talking clothing, electronics, food, etc. And yes, I've asked those shoppers. Simple reason - the taxes in Canada. They get taxed to death to pay for their "wonderful" universal health care. So much so that it's worth the gas, tolls, food, etc, to cross the border to shop on THIS side.

    If this administration stood so much behind this act, then why not be honest up front? Why promise everyone that they could keep their doctors? Because people like their doctors and that's one area that would've raised a red flag. Why promise everyone would see their rates drop? Because knowing that not only would they NOT drop but go UP, it would've raised another flag. Why tell everyone to go to the exchanges, that everything was ready? Because when the government can't even get a website running securely and efficiently, it would raise another flag about how trustworthy and effective that government would be with something as important as healthcare.

    Why in the world should a man have to have a policy that carries maternity for himself? Why should I as a woman have to carry maternity if I've had a hysterectomy? Why should anyone be forced to purchase products they don't need? The argument that "well the policy will be more expensive, but it'll be better so don't worry" don't cut it when the items added are USELESS to the consumer, and they have to pay for it anyways.
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    Yes I know. Hopefully it's a long way down and the rocks are sharp :evil:
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    Obama said again and again the my insurance is going to drop $2500. So it must be so.

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