Harry Reid: Obamacar just a step toward single payer system

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    Harry Reid is obviously one of this tin-foil hat conspiracy theorists, lol.
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    The truth is starting to come out. We of course new the truth from day one...
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    This almost implies they lied to us....
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    Welcome to the party pal!!!!!!!!!
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    that would be great for the economy and the debt, conservatives would call for a revolution for their love of the private middle man skimming 25% off the top
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    It would be great for totalitarianism and the death of personal autonomy. Honestly, that being the case, I don't give a damn if you could run the government on a nickel a year, it wouldn't be a country worth living in. Mussolini had the trains running on time, but it's a helluva way to run a railroad.
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    Having the government dictating our health care is going to be great for the economy? Please explain.
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    Well said comrade!!

    Google China, USSR, and Cuba... they buy a ticket. Why wait for communism and socialism when you can have it today!!
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    You mean the private middleman that advances technology and creates millions of jobs? We may as well eliminate grocery stores as well and just buy straight from the farmer. Think how much further those food stamps would go.

    Guess Reid finally got around to reading what was in the bill.
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    Every time I see rhetoric like this, I think of a line of judicial decisions criticizing as socialism the providing counsel to indigents at public expense and other similar rights that we now consider basic to our constitutional democracy. One fine example was:

    Bell v. State, 208 So. 2d 474, 478 (Fla. 1st DCA 1968)

    Another:

    State v. Weeks, 166 So. 2d 892, 897 (Fla. 1964)

    I don't know why that reminded me of the arguments that counsel for indigents at public expense was going to be the tilting point for our turn to socialism, but I guess it did. Okay, tangent over...
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    And when I see deflections and straw arguments, I always wonder just how easy incrementalism actually is. Like if we just get there slowly enough, you would accept having a state issued home and state issued job and state issued diet and still not see anything socialist about it.

    A government that is the primary party responsible for your health is, by freakin' frakking definition, the primary party responsible for the entirety of your life. And that's it for all of us. That's it for freedom. That isn't a slippery slope, that's the bottom, that's the final trade of messy scary freedom for the gilded cage.
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    [sarcasm]I see you've disproved my implication of Chicken Little rhetoric to be misguided. [/sarcasm]
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    Well, hell, let's try it. What would it take, beyond the government being the primary financier of all your healthcare decisions, for the government to ultimately be the last word on your decisions in any context that may affect your health? When does it actually become totalitarian? When does it become wrong? What's the missing element, the "it's not like they can _____" that makes it all just 'chicken little'?
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    I imagine we'll go to some system of single payer eventually. The rest of the advanced nations have.
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    As opposed to the government employees skimming 25% to pay for their early retirement with million dollar golden parachutes?

    :sick:
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    If "advancement" and "liberty" are adverse, I'll take the latter, 100% of the time.
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    Africa's still pretty open. Best of luck to you.

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