guvment overthrow

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    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/expert-t...g-laws-could-lead-to-overthrow-of-government/

    from the article:

    During a congressional committee hearing about the constitutional limits imposed on the presidency and the implications of President Barack Obama’s disregard for implementing the Affordable Care Act as written, one expert testified that the consequences of the president’s behavior were potentially grave. He said that the precedent set by Obama could eventually lead to an armed revolt against the federal government.
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    Bunch of hyperbole to whip up some violence....doesn't state what exactly Obama did outside the law. As a matter of fact, your link even states it was "legal behavior".

    :)
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    The president has consistently made changes under this legislation under what authority?
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    What changes are you referring to and how does he not have the authority? This hasn't been explained but the threat of overthrow was made crystal clear.
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    He unilaterally gave business alone year delay to start with plus all the exemptions he has given. What authority does he have to do this on hos own?
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    Yeah, like our overweight population is going to get up from their computers and TVs long enough to stage a revolt. Hell, they won't even get up long enough to go vote.
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    Perhaps if they're offered a free burger :)
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    Please explain why he doesn't have the authority?
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    Article 2 Section 3 of the Constitution. Specifically the "Take Care" clause.

    The president cannot make and change laws at whim, this is basic constitutional stuff. FDR tried it and the supreme court nixed it.
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    As long as the masses have their American idol, wally world, and x box there will be no such revolt. Pacified and divided just like our masters want us.
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    I found this interesting discussion on the "take care" clause...according to this, Obama isn't violating his Constitutional powers at all.

    Much more at the link:
    http://www.heritage.org/constitution/#!/articles/2/essays/98/take-care-clause
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    Right, but the law was passed with certain specific dates in it. Obama changed those dates. He's not deciding "how or when" to enforce those laws, he's changing them. The duty of the president, via the take care clause, is to "faithfully" execute the laws as passed by congress.

    So is he executing it or changing it, then executing it? Pretty straightforward answer.
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    I suppose the argument could be made that he didn't "change" the law, but simply delayed it. But I don't think he delayed the whole thing, just pieces that he wanted to.
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    Changing it or using his discretion to decided how and when to enforce the law.

    Unfortunately these clauses aren't always straightforward.....kind of murky with some latitude.

    The link I posted did discuss the interpretation of "faithfully":

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    Unfortunately, the president has the authority to do anything he wants under the War Powers Act. It is still in effect, hence the authority for Executive Orders. Conservative groups have tried to get that act repealed for decades.
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    The burden should be on you to prove what gives him the authority. We do not have a parliamentary government.
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    Even some regular hack on MSNBC said he didn't have the authority to do so ... oh yeah, it was Howard Dean I believe. Few disagree with him from what I've seen. But his worshipers in the media rarely mention this.
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    I answered it above.
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    Actually you didn't because executive orders are not defined that loosey goosey. The president can't pick apart legislation by congress to choose what he will and will not enforce at his discretion. If that was the case we would not have a separation of powers. You might be right in terms of fine policy, however according the USSC, this is now tax policy.

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