Green Energy just not there.

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    I'm guessing with this news out of Germany, that Obama will now threaten the Nuclear industry as he did coal. Seems to be his MO...if something doesn't work or isn't cost effective, double down.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/william...solar-industry-is-imploding/?partner=yahootix

    Meanwhile as Rome burns...Obama fiddles. Lets see, what other insignificant issue not in the top 20 has he not addressed? Hmmm. Any guesses. Perhaps bullying. He knows something about that.
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    Green energy has never been there. It's business 101, if your product is more expensive than the alternative then you won't win market share from the product you are trying to replace.
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    This isn't the problem at all, actually. It's entirely about efficiency, which gets better every single day.
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    Solar *will* be in our future, though. That you can almost guarantee. Would this even have been feasible 5 years ago? 2 years ago?
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    Um, you just said that "solar will be our future", so I'm confused by your smart aleck retort here.
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    No, I didn't. Read my comment again.
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    Alternatively, you could just explain your nuanced view to me, instead of this sequence of repeated, short posts implying that I don't understand it. I'm afraid that I don't see how "Solar *will* be in our future, though." means, "We will be staying on carbon fuels in the future".
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    Rade, I wasn't implying you didn't understand my comment, I was explicitly saying so. Believing solar will be a factor in our future energy needs does not preclude carbon-based energy sources.

    I mean, you mis-read my comment, I'm not sure what else that warrants.
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    I am just trying to understand your predictions for the future, obob. It may be rare around here to have anyone actually give a heck what anyone else is talking about, but I'm genuinely interested in your view. So far, it seems that it has to do with solar and carbon (and maybe nuclear), but I'm unsure of the proportions or timelines or rationales, etc.
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    All I said was solar will play a role in our future energy generation. Beyond that I have no idea.

    But if you look at the velocity of solar technology it's hard to deny the incredible strides being made.

    Of course, the primary story above implies that the technology is failing, which isn't the case. It's the companies, undercut by the Chinese.
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    I agree with both of these statements. Obviously, if Detroit goes under because of Japan, no one would say "Cars just aren't feasible".

    Personally, I've always thought that solar was the obvious choice for virtually all of the future's energy, but having been exposed to Laughlin's contrarian and much more expert views on the inertia of carbon energy, I'm not so sure anymore. Since it seems feasible to export energy (a la Iceland), I don't see why it wouldn't be possible for Arizona to help the cloudier climates with a solar bump.
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    Chinese panel makers losing their ass also. So how do you do it profitably. Move manufacturing where? And I like solar...I just don't see how it can compete other than using it to warm a swimming pool in a few climates.

    I'm a bigger fan of geothermal for heating/cooling homes and buildings but it is steep initially.
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    Not really. They are in the EU, but that's because of tariffs. Ultimately it's going to need to be a volume game, because solar is so low maintenance and has a long life.

    Most solar heaters for pools have nothing to do with solar panels, FYI.
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    I know. I have a friend in that business.
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    New plant just approved for the island of St. Croix that uses bio-digestion to turn cane grass into methane to power an electrical plant. It will be interesting to see if it works and at what price. I know a few people that have done some legal and permitting work on this so will keep an eye on it. Island currently uses fuel oil for power generation so it should not be hard to beat the price of that energy.

    http://www.viaspace.com/press_article.php?id=1406

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