Goverment Is Owned By Special Interests

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  1. 108

    108 Premium Member

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    Whether it being organized labor, groups, or corporations. Certain interests align with one party, and many hedge on both sides. We allow it through the legal bribery known as campaign donations, yet most seem to point the finger at the negative effects of it (debated daily here, whether it be a left or right issue), and not directly at the cause.

    Whether these special interest entities truly do have the same speech rights, envisioned by our founding fathers under our Constitution for individual citizens, should our Congress seriously curtail it due to the obvious detrimental effect to the fabric of our democracy?

    Yes or No, and why?
  2. Gatorrick22

    Gatorrick22 Well-Known Member

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    If we stopped all lobbying... that would be a good start.
  3. VAg8r1

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    If an individual or organization gives an elected official $1,000 for consideration of legislation favorable to that individual both the donor and recipient would be guilty of bribery. If the same individual or organization spent $100,000 on a media campaign supporting the official the act would be considered an exercise of free speech guaranteed under the First Amendment of the Constitution. The Supreme Court has pretty much ensured that we will continue to have the best politicians that money can buy.
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    Now? Or for decades?
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    Citizens United was very detrimental to this country. It caused our politicians to go from "escorts" to full blown street-walking whores. At least now they are honest. They no longer represent us - their constituents - they represent whoever has enough campaign funds. I think we should make them wear the logos of their sponsors whenever they are in congressional chambers like a NASCAR driver. "Hey there's that senator from Goldman Sachs talking to the congressmen from AIG and the Trial Lawyers Association. Bend over, here comes some more financial reform".
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    108 - I finally agree with you.
  7. vangator1

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    First, we don't have a democracy. At least we didn't. It may be devolving into that.

    But I whole heartedly agree about the campaign financing. Just buying votes. Soros will eventually topple this country.
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    If we drastically reduced the size of the federal government to its Constitutionally mandated size ALL of these problems go away. The bigger you make the federal government and the more power you give it will lead to exactly what we have. I laugh when liberals and statists whine about the direct results of their ideology.
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    What are you talking about? We have some of the best politicians that money can buy!!! :wink:
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    the answer

    Invitation To Save America

    The 2014 election is the next big chance to slowdown, and then recapture our belief in the constitutional functioning of America.

    The Contract To Save America is written as a cohesive bond where candidates for Congress, who share a similar belief and commitment, can address this hope.
    We feel that you share this premise, any may be willing to attack and overcome the root problem in national politics that has eroded the trust from our citizenry…the problem that self-interest and the influence of special interest has bought the process and no longer prioritizes the “best interest of the people”.
    Therefore, rather than continue with an extended political career, this is your opportunity to take the patriotic posture as a citizen representative.
    We realize similar efforts are in play. Without over analyzing the breadth of why these four (4) focused efforts are chosen, it is simply based on attacking the problematic root causes of Congresses failure to effectively represent the will of patriotic Americans.
    Our hope is that you may choose to sign-on and promote The Contract To Save America…that you will recruit, support, and join in the national movement to reestablish trust, truth, and integrity in the process of governance in our beloved country.
    In your heart-of-hearts, we think you feel that you can represent us with the honesty and openness we pray for. Be brave, be steadfast, and join us to save America.

    GOD Bless America,

    C.L. Cooke, Co-Founder
    Fourth Quarter Society
    www.4qsociety.com







    Congressional Reform The Key
    (4) Changes must be made

    The financial and political condition of our country is an embarrassment. Those elected Congressional stewards of the legislative process have become self-indulgent and greedy pawns of the almighty dollar. The influence of money, much in the form of special interest lobbying, has put the power of the people in the deep pockets of the corporations, unions, and wealthy individuals that steer the process.

    Worrisome is the fact that we tend to send the thieves back each election cycle to continue their pillage. It is truly time to wake up; time for the voters of America to persistently push for four major reforms that will change the culture of The Congress back to an institution responsive to the voters. If you think $17 Trillion of US debt, declining respect throughout the world, 23 million Americans out of work, and a continual decline in respect for and implementation of the law of the land(The US Constitution) is cause for action, then join-up and buy-in.

    • Term Limits = US Senate (one term of 6 years); US House of Representatives (3 terms of 2 years each).
    • Campaign Finance – All fundraising must be conducted, and all monies raised, will be limited to the state from which the candidate will represent.
    • Retirement – Members of Congress will participate in Social Security and their chosen savings and retirement plan as do the working citizens of our country. Same for healthcare. No more self-serving special plans just for them.
    • Lobbying – Registered Lobbyists must be limited to the amount of $5,000 given to any Congressman in any calendar year.
    REBUILD THE TRUST – OR ELSE…come home

    Join the Fourth Quarter Society (www.4qsociety.com) and send the message, send a Big 4Q to those who do not show the belief that our children deserve to live free in America the Beautiful.

    The NC 1st Congressional must elect a candidate who will pursue these reforms. BEAT BUTTERFIELD…elect one of us, a true citizen patriot, not a career politician or wannabe.
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    But what about SS, Medicare, Obamacare, DOE, etc etc etc?
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    Just a heretical thought here, but no one ever seems to think that the Constitution itself is the problem. Its always either a case of making it better or taking a more rigid approach to it.
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    How are you going to even attempt to reduce the size of Gov if special interests on all sides want Big Gov?
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    I dont know what the "Consitutionally mandated" size of government is, but I assume that means eliminating any sort of campaign finance laws and competency qualifications for civil service (of which there are none "mandated" by the Constitution). I don't think people understand how corrupt and rife with cronyism the government was in the 19th century.
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    You are right. That was a heretical thought.
  16. wgbgator

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    Yet, I doubt anyone, given the opportunity, would (re)write the Constitution the same way.
  17. neisgator

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    I pretty much would.
    Probably make a few things more clear. Nothing would be really changed, as that word is defined.
  18. wgbgator

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    Well, "making a few things more clear" is changing it "as that word is defined."
  19. neisgator

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    It really isn't when the intent is exactly the same as it was originally.
    Just dumbing it down(spelling it out) for the left and right (to a smaller extent)
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    Well, if you feel the need to "spell it out," then the intent can't be all that obvious. Moreover, you wouldn't impose term limits, or other things people seem to want to do?

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