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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by fastsix, Jul 25, 2014.
One question 96, did you ever truly try to develop a relationship with god and let him in your life?
This thread is pretty good support for why the establishment clause is necessary. Some of you are far too comfortable with dismissing the beliefs of others out of hand when they don't line up with your own.
raised roman catholic, baptized,communion, CCD classes but never confirmed by my choice.
That does not answer my question by a long shot, in fact it was very evasive. All you explained was going through some motions which has nothing to do with where your head and heart were at the time.
well to answer question, no. Can not form a relationship with something that I believe doesn't exist.
I went through the motions because I was told that's what I had to do. the indoctrination didn't stick
I will guarantee you something 96, that if you try and try with all your heart you will not be disappointed, this I know. I went through the same motions as you and at the time that's all it was to me.
I truly disagree with you.
my question for you, would you be just as good of man that you are if you didn't believe? Do you need to be threatened with damnation to be a good man? Do you need to be rewarded to be a good man?
96, I'd like to continue this if you're game. I'm taking off for a play with the family.
enjoy the family.
It's a fact that you worry more about going to hell than I do.
Have you ever truly tried to develop a relationship with Vishnu or any of the other Hindu Gods? I guarantee that if you try with all your heart, you will not be disappointed.
I wonder if the good mayor actually believes he can win this if it goes to court and if he cares about legal fees it could entail?
The OP's article wouldn't even make headlines in blue Jersey. The last Trenton mayor had a convicted child molester as his primary fundraiser.
Your statement that atheists "live a life that holds no lasting meaning and is baseless," and your referral of people "who believe in NOTHING," smacks of hubris, Tilly. These statements of belief have become oft repeated mantras recited by people who lack the necessary experiences and perspectives of the very ones they mock. Do you truly believe, or want to believe this? It's mildly insulting when one declares he knows the intentions and leanings of the heart of another as it is impossible for one person to know those things or share the perspective of another without having identical experiences.
It's presumptive on your part to think they believe in "nothing" when what they most likely don't believe - or reject - is the conventional, orthodox concept of God and associated dogmas and doctrines promoted by religious agencies. I think most sane people - atheist, deist, agnostic or theist - would say the opposite - they do indeed "actually believe what we do matters."
I find it funny that you take issue with my "mocking" of the king of all mockers on this board Lacuna.
But I'll bite...
Agnostics, deists, and theists do not boldly declare that there is no God. Atheist do.
By doing so, they are saying:
I am only here by accidental chance, no part of me will exist in the near future.
With that simple premise...what real purpose do we serve? At best it is shallow and temporal. At worst it is ultimately meaningless. Any worth in a godless world is simply a temporal creation of mankind, that will eventually not matter at all.
Well a belief in nothing, really isn't a belief is it?
Some of us don't follow God out of a fear of damnation...that's not what Jesus was about. It's what organized religion made it about.
Atheism is a rejection of the concept of deities, nothing more. It does not preclude the idea of a belief system or require you to subscribe to the idea that existence is pointless and holds no meaning. That's something you are presuming because you are unwilling to recognize alternative ways of thinking about life and the universe that don't fit into the narrow mold presented by Abrahamic religions.
Regardless, it's not the place of the government to endorse any religion. If a city wants to make special accommodations for religious folks, it needs to make equivalent accommodations available for everyone-religious or not.
If the person who cures cancer turns out to be an atheist, will that person have served no real purpose?
I believe it serves a real purpose.
I believe You serve a real purpose.
Because you are not here by accident.
However if no god exists and we are just mistakes of science, then I stand by my statement above that such things are just temporal.
An atheists belief that we have no real purpose is based on the belief that we are here by accident, and thus our existence is temporal. this does not change the fact that I believe that we are here for a purpose, and it is no accident.