Google is going...Suspicious

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  1. tegator80

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    This seems to be the best place to post this, although it is universal. I just don't want to post this on every forum.

    Google is going...suspicious...beginning this evening (or that is when I found it). I use images and GIFs for brevity on some of my posts (usually humorous, at least to me) and I "google" a concept and use "images" or "gif" as one of my search tags. I would get inages or GIFs and I could get to see the image address, which I could then embed on the forums. As everyone knows, the new updates makes uploading images you have on your computer a non-starter. Now, Google "saves" your images for your "use". Um, unless they are the "copyright police" aren't they getting into the monitoring business?

    Does anyone have a solution to what is going on via google? Another search engine that is less intrusive?
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    Virtually everyone knows that Google makes their rather obscene revenue by selling their victim’s privacy, but most people have no idea how far that invasion goes. Everyone knows that Google sells your information to advertisers and assumes that is as far as it goes. The victims are conditioned to think the price you pay is a small exposure of yourself, but the price is far higher.

    I highly recommend the book Future Crimes, written by a cyber crimes expert, Marc Goodman. He details how Google gets a significant amount of their revenue by providing your information to the dark web. It is legal but certainly seems of questionable ethics. I have found it laughable that Google has a motto of “First, do no harm.” My question is to whom?

    Google’s products are the victims who use their various tools. The victims think the tools are products when, in fact, they are only conduits for extracting information from the actual product being sold to all manner of entities, many who have little or no qualms about committing crimes against you.

    Sorry for the anti-Google rant. To answer your question, virtually all of the big ones are horrible regarding invasion of your privacy. This article gives some advice that SEEMS fair and DuckDuckGo seems quite honest.
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  3. themistocles

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    Google is EVIL. They support the NSA and fail to support US, the people.

    Never use Google for anything. For Searches, use either Secure Startpage or DuckDuckGo.
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    Google is smart enough to track us down or get information about our activity. They also know what we eat today because of the Smartphones. Now, these days Google is everything, you have to find something, Google is the best option to get information of all things.
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    Uh, I don't think Google is Evil. In fact their company motto is "Don't be Evil."

    Having played around in the web development world for awhile (I must admit, I'm pretty rusty now days) I'm pretty sure I know where most of their revenue comes from and I'm fairly certain it it isn't from selling your private information. I seriously doubt they are actually "selling" your information at all.

    Yes they track the living crap out of you. But I doubt they are selling that info to anyone. They are using it to help them target ads at you that you will be more likely to click on. I don't see anything necessarily evil in that. In fact if I have to see ads I'd much rather they were ads I might be interested in.

    Now Facebook... that should be renamed the FacebookofEvil. Those guys will make a buck off of you any way they can.
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  6. LakeGator

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    You are entitled to your opinion no matter how inconsistent it is to the facts. I provided the link to a very well researched book which shows that Google DOES sell the information in a manner a bit worse than what has been shown by Facebook.

    I am not sure how being able to write a bit of HTML makes you an expert on their business practices. Nor do I understand how you have confidence in them just because their marketing creatures have the "Don't be evil" slogan in place. How many companies have "Place the customer first" as a slogan and turn around and do their best to fleece them?

    Anyone who believes any of the big Internet based corporations are benign is being naive.
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    I will read the reference when I get a chance. I checked out the reviews, and they honestly don't give me much faith that it is a solidly developed book. Something more like my paranoid conspiracy theory loving sister would buy into.

    Regarding how my web development work gives me insight into how they make their money, I've mostly been out of the business for nearly 10 years and even at my prime I was a part time hack, but the time I spent building my own websites (including my own search engine) and learning how to monetize them gave me very good insight in how others make their money on their websites. I understand Google's adsense and adword programs. I see how they monetize their search search results and advertising on other web properties like youtube. It is all very obvious, above board, and very lucrative.

    I'm sure you have heard of the story of the golden goose. Why would they try to tweak a wee bit more money by doing shady stuff when they make so much just from their very above board advertising revenues? If anyone ever catches them doing that, they could lose the near monopoly they have on search, email, etc. It just doesn't make any sense when you realize what they have to lose.
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    Startpage is powered by google. Their ads are definitely google ads. Their search results sure look like Google's results. Google will be able to track you on any search you do on this site just as if you did it on Google itself.

    I did a quick test on DuckDuckGo and their results sure look like Google results to me too for the search terms I used. I didn't see much for ads on their site, and the few I did see seemed to be a DuckDuckGo powered ad. It is possible this site is using Google results but not passing your IP address on to Google in the process, but it is hard to tell.
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  9. enviroGator

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    This is just bullcrap dude. Sorry... that is not how they make their money.

    Here is a link that might give someone some real insight into how they make money (and although it is a little out of date it looks like I was right on the money - adsense and adwords) -

    How Does Google Make Its Money?

    A more recent article, more of the same although it does talk about YouTube ads a bit more -

    How Does Google Make Money?
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    Not sure quite what you are getting at, but how I do that is

    Search for an image I want in the "images" tab. I then click on one of the images in the results. This opens it into a bigger preview version. I right-click the image and then select "copy image address". Then back at GatorCountry, in your post, click the image icon and paste in the image address.

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