Google Asks U.S. Government For Permission

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    To Publish Aggregate Number Of National Security Requests It Receives.

    http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/11/go...-fisa-national-security-requests-it-receives/

    Google is one of the companies implicated in the PRISM leak last week, but the company continues to deny that it provided the NSA with special access to its servers. It is, however, now asking the U.S. government to be allowed to publish at least a little bit more information about the national security requests, including FISA disclosures, it receives. Google isn’t currently allowed to publish even this aggregate data in its transparency reports.

    Google is under nondisclosure obligations here, so the details of these requests will likely always be under wraps, but according to a letter by its Chief Legal Officer David Drummond sent to the FBI and the Attorney General, the company would like to make public at least the number of requests it receives.

    Update: Microsoft just emailed us the following statement. The company also asks the government to permit greater transparency around these requests.

    “Permitting greater transparency on the aggregate volume and scope of national security requests, including FISA orders, would help the community understand and debate these important issues. Our recent Report went as far as we legally could and the government should take action to allow companies to provide additional transparency.”
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    sounds to me like those companies believe in the value of the program and would like to be able to provide a little bit more information in hopes that the conspiracy theorists will understand the value far exceeds the cost.
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    Perhaps.

    And perhaps they want the citizens to know how vast the abuse is.
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    Spying on Americans has prevented an untold number of terror threats, except the one's it didn't.
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    Yep, it sure prevented the Boston bombers from doing their deed. I guess they were too busy with spying (taking lots of man power) on the Pubs in congress.
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    What exactly are the nondisclosure obligations, and how did Google become subject to them?

    Go GATORS!
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    Is this tongue in cheek?

    Secret warrants with nondisclosure provisions. I doubt anyone here wants to go to Hong Kong in the next few days because they provided the specifics...
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    didn't stop sandy hook or movie either. Even though the movie guy brain doctor turned him in to the police but they didn't do anything about it
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    Listening to Rush yesterday the actual number the gov provided is two. Well, one and a half. Prevented one and helped catch a guy that was successful in blowing up a hotel.
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    As I recall, the information providers are enjoined from disclosing any federal surveillance request information by the Patriot Act. And it is also illegal for anyone to try to obtain that information.
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    Jesus, we are so screwed!
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    The FBI requested confidential information on his clients from the guy in this article in 2004. He fought them and has plans to build an internet provider where only the customer can decrypt their data, and therefore has sole ownership of it. Interesting, short read...

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    what was that about " Congress not paying attention to what they are signing" ?

    Patriot Act would have never been signed had a Democrat been in office...not because they are any better (Obama using), but because Republicans would have never allowed it given their general anti-Gov stance and fervor for conspiracies

    This is a time where gridlock would have been a good thing

    9/11 was a huge boon for the MIC and Intelligence Community
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    That's the government saying they caught two....the one and a half.....I don't believe anything Hussein and his minions say. So they are going through billions of phone calls per day for the last 4 and a half years for just the one terrorist if true?
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    Good find. I don't recall seeing any press on this in March. Maybe I just missed it but if this wasn't covered, it shows how little interest major media outlets have in truly substantive issues affecting the country.

    But ruling the nondisclosure provision unconstitutional is an enormous win for the American people.

    Looks like we are just coming up on the time frame that appeal to the ruling can be filed. I could not find any mention of an appeal to this ruling... are you aware of any?

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