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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by HallGator, Dec 12, 2013.
Or on this case the venerable "Warthog."
Anyone who has ever spent any time on the U. of Arizona campus knows the sight and whining sound of an A-10 landing at Davis Monthan AFB, a few miles from campus. Literally thousands of A-10s have flown over campus, without a single incidence. If/when the Warthog goes into mothballs, it will be strange to be on campus and not see them flying around. Especially since I was in school during Desert Storm I, when the A-10's were at their height of use, and 4 would fly by in landing formation every few minutes!
The cannon on that thing was pretty sick. But there ain't too many insurgents with T-80 tanks.
Agree. Incredible airplane, very useful in the Gulf War, but out-dated nowadays. We won't be battling many enemies in tank warfare in the future. Any enemy knows that Abrams on the ground, plus Warthogs and Comanche helicopters in the air= a one-way ticket to the grave.
Huge mistake IMO.
The Hog offers capabilities that no other plane in the US arsenal has. 1 A-10 can do the job 3-4 Apaches/Cobras can...and with longer range at that.
I know the Air Force will claim that the F-16 or F-35 can carry the same weapons, but it's BS. The Air Force said the same thing in the 1960s about the Phantom and the F-105...but practical experience showed that they moved too fast for adequate close-air support. Heck, that's why the A-10 was built as a subsonic plane in the first place--slower speeds allowed the pilot to concentrate on the targets on the ground.
Typical Pentagon BS.
The Comanche was cancelled about 10 years ago...and if the Warthog is retired, there goes another huge deterrent.
Any war with North Korea or China would certainly see large-scale use of tanks.
We see this all the time in history: a country projects current threats into the future, failing to realize things change. The most famous example was the Brits trying to get rid of their amphibious warfare capabilities in the months before the Falklands were invaded. The British literally said "there's no need for that type of capability anymore."
C'mon now, we can just design a new plane for billions of dollars that does the same job slightly less effectively or just the same. Think of the jobs we'll create.
Lol...sadly, that's probably *exactly* what will happen.
Either that, or the Army gets millions of additional funding to upgrade the Apache and add a few more squadrons. Throw in an extra Cobra squadron for the Marines and everyone's happy!!
Seems like prior to the Iraq War they were considering retiring the A-10 right? And a couple times before that too.
Yea, the Air Force never liked the plane since its very specialized and "multirole" has been the institutional buzzword for quite some time. Since the Hog is really only useful for close air support, it can't do other missions.
And, when budget cuts come into play, aircraft that do more than one thing are considered more useful. Since both the F-16 and F-35 are designed to be ground attack and carry most (if not all) the same weapons as the Hog can, the bureaucrats make the mistake that those planes can do the same job. They can't.
In Afghanistan, the Taliban would hold off attacks if they saw the Hog loitering in the sky, such is their fear factor for enemies. With fast-movers like the F-16, they can't stay on station nearly as long and our enemies are well aware of that fact too.
when we were out in Phoenix for the 2006 MNC game-actually Jan 2007- we saw and heard these planes and thought it had to have some sort of issue to make that whining noise
I'm not knowledgeable on weapons or aircraft, but the sound of that cannon is a beautiful thing.
CJ, I bet it scary as hell to be on the receiving end of that thing.
No doubt, but it would be fun to fire. Imagine having one mounted on the back of a pickup.
UA being buzzed by A-10's reminded me we were buzzed by a C-17 a couple of weeks ago at the golf course. Must have taken off from MacDill AFB in Tampa. That's one huge mother.
That's nothin'. lol...nothing will ever beat getting "buzzed" by a B-1 at afterburner in Afghanistan.
It was about 10pm and our FOB was taking RPG and motor hits from some Taliban insurgents. We were calling for aircover, but were told nothing was in the air with ordinance. Just as we had resigned ourselves to the fact we'd probably just have to suck it up until they ran out of ammunition, we hear "..hold on, there's a B-1 on its way back to Diego Garcia, but we can get a bit creative here." When we asked what that meant, we were told "hold for orders."
About 10 minutes later, we were told "it's coming from the northwest, tell everyone to put in earplugs or otherwise protect their ears in 5 minutes." We see a bright dot on the horizon that gets larger and larger...and when it passed us (about 3/4s of a mile away), it was the loudest thing I think I will ever hear. lol, the Taliban didn't so much as fire a shot the next 3 days. Forget bombing the bastids, just do flyovers!
haha, I've heard they've done this on a few other occasions too with similar results. Gotta love American ingenuity.