Good News wrt Florida and Common Core

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  1. QGator2414
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    I imagine that many conservatives will cheer the move, but it won't be lauded by most others. I like what I know about the common core, so I don't think this is a good move, but what do I know.
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    From what I have heard of common core, it is absolutely horrible.

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    Tea Party keeping their guns squarely aimed at Republicans for now I see?

    Defeating Jeb Bush's big issue in his home state sure ought to teach the Democrats a lesson...
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    Common Core reeks of more government centralized planning. Like "No child left behind".

    Stalin would be proud.

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    So we just had parent meetings about this in NY, and boy I wish we had Scott in place.

    My daughter's school, a school that had a 98% pass rate on the state testing now has 53%. That means the rest are now "in danger" and require special AIS (read- remedial) services. What happened? The teachers informed some extremely irate parents (including me) that the state changed the test to the "common core", but didn't tell the teachers until the WEEK OF THE TEST that they were being changed. So the scoring scales were completely different. They had kids in Honors/Advanced programs now all of a sudden "in danger".

    The actual material is nothing really new to the school - it matches the tougher standards this district has always had. It's an issue with the test and how it was written, and Albany has an uproar on its hands from pretty much every single district about how that was handled. One of the bigger problems - same amount of time, and almost DOUBLE the questions. The kids couldn't finish the tests!!

    As for Common Core Math. The teachers were given a giant stack of papers, told to study it, and that THAT was the new curriculum for the year. Guess what? NO BOOKS given, and the teachers are receiving the actual teaching material one unit at a time from Albany. The teachers are basically telling the kids now to not worry about the test, do what they can, and that hopefully the test will be changed/abolished before this group makes it to high school. Geez.

    The testing garbage has to stop at some point. Up here, not only do we have this state testing garbage, we also have 4th, 8th, 12th testing, and the lovely program called the Regents Exam.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regents_Examinations

    Ugh.
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    This.
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    I'm not a fan of it, but really, we have government-run public schools that are centralized at the state level and very few people accuse the individual states of running schools "like Stalin."
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    NY state has had Regents Exams since at least the 1950s.
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    I don't know much about common core but from reading so far (aside from the silly Stalin comparisons) the complaints are that common core lowers the standards too much .. or raises them too much, depending on who's complaining.
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    A few things here:

    1) While this is a common complaint from the right, the common core was constructed by states without federal oversight

    2) It isn't even mandatory. Each state is allowed to choose whether it adopts the standards. If your governor chooses it, I guess he can be Stalin in your example, but if your governor doesn't, like Scott, he is probably being just as Stalinistic.

    3) While I do give you props for recognizing Stalin as correct boogeyman for central planning (rather than Marx, who is usually thrown around here), I think we should always stop to think about why "Stalin" is the first thing to come to our mind when talking about how to learn algebraic thinking. Excellent conversation here on these types of perspectives, if you are interested.
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    As per the article, the federal govt provided grants to states who write their own tests and has no part in scoring or otherwise administering the program. I don't think Stalin would be impressed.
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    I've noticed both complaints as well, which is odd.
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    As soon as we get the govt MORE involved in educating our children, test scores and critical thinking will skyrocket, I promise! Love always, Jimmy Carter
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    Add Jeb and George W. to that list for sure.
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    Absolutely. But I was giving him credit for his wonderful gift of the D.O.E.
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    Along with almost everyone about 1 year ago.
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    It's had them since before that - but their current format is insane. And my complaint is the combination of ALL of these tests put together, and especially changing the scoring/test makeup just before the test is to be administered to the kids. Regents themselves were more of a special diploma (or was) for those headed to college. It was supposed to make the High School diploma mean more. However, if I'm not mistaken, now if the kids don't pass the Regents exam at all, whether they're headed to college or not, they don't get their diplomas and have to do summer school. Now I'm not horribly worried - we still have one of the higher ranked districts - some tests average a 65% passing rate statewide, and her district is at 90% for that Regents high school test as an example. But it's just too many tests, and even the teachers tell the kids to ignore the test (the state AIS testing, not the Regents), that it doesn't reflect their schoolwork, etc.

    I'd be fine with the Regents, but not Regents, midterms/finals, AIS science/math/English, ACT, SAT, AP testing....and all other than midterms within the same 5 week time period. It's too much.
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    Pedantic, but there had been a federal education agency since 1868.

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