Global Warming Thread

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by dangolegators, Apr 19, 2017.

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    March 2017 was the second hottest March in recorded history. March 2016 was the hottest so I suppose we'll have some deniers telling us that the planet isn't getting warmer. The 3 hottest years in recorded history have all occurred in the last 3 years, and 2017 is so far looking like it's going to make it 4 for 4.

    https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land_ocean/1/3/1880-2017
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    Surprising, considering the La Nina going on. Although, looking at the data, it appears that the La Nina wasn't incredibly strong and is already over, so maybe not so strange.

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    https://www.climate.gov/news-features/blogs/enso/february-2017-enso-update-bye-bye-la-niña

    Regardless, I think a lot of scientists thought we would have a rather cooler 2017, but if we are already out of the La Nina and already so warm, the dip might not be that small after all.
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    This thread gonna heat up the world .01 degree all by itself.
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    You're quoting scientists again, aren't you?
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    Last year the global warming deniers said in 2017 La Niña and a solar minium would mark the beginning of a cooling period ... Not seeing it....
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    All that proves is that people on both sides of the argument dont know what the hell is going on.
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    So what's your suggestion to this supposed AGW? I know let's let 4 of the 5 biggest emitters of CO2 (the CRIB nations) go about their business as usual, but lets also put a HUGE (Yuge) TAX on American businesses... That will solve the problem.

    We know the Climate changes all the time, has been since we've had a climate, but the Leftist's "solution" is a complete and laughable joke.

    In the end... all the phony AGW is nothing more than a money grab.
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    Lol... I'm pretty sure some of us know what's going on. Read post #8.
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    No one has acknowledged it yet, but your thread title is perfect :)
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    Taxes and regulations have nothing to do with it. Either releasing high levels of a greenhouse gas into the atmosphere traps more solar radiation close to earth or it doesn't.
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    Or... the Earth's climate has changed for eons and AGW is still unproven. Or, this is just a weather pattern of warmth.
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    I don't think you even need an "or" here. All of these things could be true. But they still have nothing to do with taxes.
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    shipping has long been the third rail of pollution that no one wants to touch. they burn the dirtiest fuel on the market with little to no emissions controls. Really don't understand why they haven't switched to some form of nat gas.
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    Wonder how long it will take the Trump administration to eliminate the EPA's low-emission shipping zone around the U.S.

    Pressure is mounting on the UN's International Maritime Organisation and the EU to tighten laws governing ship emissions following the decision by the US government last week to impose a strict 230-mile buffer zone along the entire US coast, a move that is expected to be followed by Canada.

    The setting up of a low emission shipping zone follows US academic research which showed that
    pollution from the world's 90,000 cargo ships leads to 60,000 deaths a year and costs up to $330bn per year in health costs from lung and heart diseases. The US Environmental Protection Agency estimates the buffer zone, which could be in place by next year, will save more than 8,000 lives a year with new air quality standards cutting sulphur in fuel by 98%, particulate matter by 85% and nitrogen oxide emissions by 80%.
    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2009/apr/09/shipping-pollution

    (Note - the above article is 8 years old and the U.S. low-emission zone has been in effect for a number of years now)
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    Scientists tend to not use the word prove in research (though mathematicians do), as much as evidence supports, and the confidence in that evidence.

    In any case, how do you know climate changed for eons?
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    I just don't trust scientists. They get federal funding to do study's that they have a preconceived conclusions to. I have proof positive scientists don't know what they are talking about. I read one study that said cigarette butts take 99 years to biodegrade. Well what happened to the 4 1/2 million butts I stomped out in my back yard over the last 30 years?
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    I'm not so sure that is proof that scientists don't know what they are talking about. For one thing, a quick read suggests that cigarette butts do not biodegrade, but are degraded by non-biological processes. Therefore, the 99 year number might be right (or never might even be right).

    Secondly, even if that study that you read was wrong, what would that have to do with all other scientific studies? If a marine biologist comes to a false conclusion about coral growth rates, does that mean that astronomers are wrong about the makeup of stars? It doesn't really follow.

    Lastly, if all scientists, supposedly our most reasoned minds, can't see the truth through their preconceived notions, what makes you think that you are different?
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    Seems like the people on the side of "it is going to keep getting hotter" know what the hell is going on.
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    Your premiss is false. China is currently the biggest polluter, but they are leading the way towards renewables. It is far from "business as usual there". At the pace they are at, they will have basically have no fuel costs for energy in a few decades and will continue to kick our asses in manufacturing ... America is moving away from coal, but lagging in renewables.
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