Global warming scientists get stuck in Antartica ice ... during summer

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    Chinese icebreaker trying to rescue the ship became stuck also, and has now withdrawn:

    "A Chinese ship trying to reach a trapped expedition vessel in Antarctica has turned back.

    "The icebreaker Xue Long, or Snow Dragon, was just six nautical miles away from the Russian-flagged vessel when the captain decided the ship could not get any closer, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority said Saturday.

    "The Snow Dragon went back to open water and remains in the vicinity of the stuck ship, the Akademik Shokalskiy, to provide support, said Andrea Hayward-Maher, spokeswoman for the AMSA. The Chinese vessel has a helicopter on board that could assist in evacuation."

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/28/world/antarctica-ship-stuck/
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    Al Gore to the rescue! If he invented the internet, then this is child's play.
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    Not sure what is so funny, Jersey?
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    Remember the other day when someone asked for the definition of irony?

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    is this the right's equivalent of blaming Bush?
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    People who don't think it's funny, at least in some respects, obviously didn't read my link. But so what else is new on Too Hot.
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    No, I didn't read it. I will not give Anthony Watts my clicks if I don't have to. But based on what I've read elsewhere such as on cnn, I take it you think it's funny because researchers going to measure sea ice got stuck in sea ice?

    It seems to me that as a result of warming, sea ice in the antarctic is actually increasing, while land ice, which forms the massive base of ice that has built up over thousands of years is decreasing. Seems odd at first blush but the reasoning seems quite plausible.
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    There is nothing funny about that nor this... Mawson explored the antarctic in 1930.
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    And here's the Antarctic version:

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    It has been a while since my statistics class. What is the significance of being outside of 2 standard deviations?
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    If they gotta go full Shakleton, me thinks these scientists and their lab assistants will have a lower survival rate than those burly chaps 100 years ago this winter. Hi-tech clothes be damned.
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    If the icebreakers don't get through, they'll have to endure a helicopter ride.
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    Will there be hors d'oeuvres?
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    What is the significance of being outside of 2 standard deviations?

    95%, assuming Gaussian Distribution and large enough sample size. That is the caveat. The smaller the sample size, the less reliable standard deviation is in predicting behavior. Just for reference, covering a couple of decades when the earth is billions of years old is rather sample-limited. As is hundreds of years and even thousands of years. Plus the earth is quite dynamic, rather than static. Another subtle assumption when using statistics.

    In other words, both Global warmer supporters and anti-Global warmer supporters are spewing out nonsensical cherry picked statistics in order to convince the other side to change their minds, something that will never happen in our life times.
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    Are you saying that "scientists" are saying things that can't pass peer review? I am shocked, SHOCKED by this! ;)
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    OMG, let's close all the factory's, power plants etc. You guys so worried then start walking, if you can't or won't then shut up about GW.
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    Is it not possible that the Northern Hemisphere (which holds most, if not all, of the research about GW) has been warming and the Southern Hemisphere has been cooling? Perhaps the earth is just tilting on its axis slightly more toward the sun up north and consequently slightly further away down south. Have no idea; but, it seems as plausible a theory as any of the others bandied about of late.
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    If that were the case, I tend to think someone would have already addressed this.
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    Funny or ironic, you choose.

    They were there to do a mockumentary about the dwindling icecap.

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