Global Cooling is here

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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/peterfe...bal-warming-alarmists-global-cooling-is-here/

    Let's talk about the real science of global cooling, not the agenda science of global warming / climate change.

    Yeah!!!

    That's what the 1970's was talking about, before the global control freaks thought up AGW.


    Compared to how many high temps?

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    Impossible. Junk science. 97 percent consensus. CO2, solar activity, cows farts, etc. etc.

    At least we have brilliant minds working on this.:grin:
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    Last I checked a Forbes opinion article is not science.
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    Nobody said it was.

    The article discusses the science and non-science (AGW) of climate change.
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    Is this the best you got? C'mon man! :grin:

    We debate crap that you guys post from Comedy Central...
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    I still have my concerns on needing to recognize solar forcing in the climate change models. And if not for CO2 forcing, I think the article is likely to generally be right that we're headed towards a period of cooling.

    But I see no basis for statements that CO2 forcing is "weak" and "logarithmically declining".

    If natural forcing would lead us toward cooling (as it appears), we just need to reconcile the offset to expected warming from the CO2 forcing.
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    Last time I checked, you had zero sense of humor so were even.
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    Many of the articles some of us have posted here prove that past CO2 levels do not correlate to temperature.
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    As I posted on the other thread, the folks at BEST did just recently and found no solar forcing effect when they included the term in the model.

    There's also another study I came across too that others have discussed, though I have seen it posted here though there was a discussion on one of the other threads

    The researchers found that sulfur dioxides from volcanoes as a coolant. There is of course more to be known about this and about the absorption of heat in the oceans.
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    Last time I checked, Al Gore wasn't a scientist either. Jury still out on exactly what that bozo is....yet HIS words spurred all the GW debate.

    Can we say....gullible?
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    Never saw his movie. Didn't mention Al Gore so i don't know why you are telling me.

    In any case, I prefer to go to the actual science to try to figure it out. You should try it too some time. Perhaps start with the two links I posted above.
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    Peter J. Ferrara (born 1955) [1][2] is an
    American lawyer, policy analyst , and
    columnist who is the current general
    counsel for the American Civil Rights Union
    and analyst for The Heartland Institute . A
    libertarian scholar, he is most well known
    for supporting privatization of the Social
    Security program.
    Early life and education
    A 2005 profile for the Harvard Law Bulletin
    reported that Ferrara recalled at age nine
    "being transfixed while watching television
    as Barry Goldwater stormed the 1964
    Republican National Convention."
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    Summer has seemingly bypassed Charlotte, NC.
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    Our community in Alabama has a big 2 day festival the middle of August every year. Everyone always wonders why the middle of August because it is always very hot. We had it this past weekend. I looked back at Saturday's date for the last 20 years. Before this year our high temps ranged from a low of 86 in 2004 to a high of 104 in 2000. There were 3 times the high was over 100, the last being in 2007. The average high temperature for the last 19 years was 91.9. The high this year was 73.9. Make of it what you will but this Summer has been a lot cooler than normal.
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    I looked at the study. It was done under the Berkley Earth project. That's like having the tobacco industry do a study on lung cancer. They would come up with CO2 as the culprit too.

    The study admits the model was extremely simple and only modeled anthropogenic CO2, so when there was a rise in temp they determined it to be due to the only term they modeled.

    Using anthropogenic CO2 in a model with data from 1753 makes no sense since it could only really be a factor in the last few decades (which had cooling trends).

    The article I posted pointed out the faulty land temperatures. And remember East Anglia.
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    I wasn't targeting or picking on you jdr....just your comment was fitting to retort(in general) about how Gore was the front-face for the GW issue and harped about it more than any person on the planet---all the while having nothing but a profit driven agenda in mind, and truthfully having no background in it whatsoever.
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    I get that. It's one of the reasons why I didn't see the movie... At the same time, I don't think his trumpeting is all that bad in some ways since raising awareness of issues is what we do here in the US, although his jet-setting and owning oil stocks opened him up to legit criticisms,

    In any case, I think you'd agree that in many ways, this issue is way too politicized.
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    Even proponents of global warming have to admit from collected data that temperatures are going down or remaining stable. Why, I'm not sure and people smarter than me can't agree on it either. My belief is Mother Earth is very underrated in adjusting to what is thrown at her.
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    The Berkeley Earth project was mostly funded by the Koch brothers and the leader Muller described himself as previously a skeptic on AGW.

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