"Georgia dealers want Tesla store shuttered for selling too many Teslas"

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    There was a link posted here a while back on another Tesla thread that stated the original law was designed to protect the consumer, thus the dealership model. A car is a little different than a computer or a vacuum cleaner. Its a significant more $ investment and a lot harder to ship to Japan where it can get worked on, thus the dealership model.
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    Well, we can debate the reasons behind the law, but the fact remains, it's anti-free market.
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    Tesla can't possibly fill the entire EV market and they know it. Besides, squeezing others out/stifling competition would hurt Tesla's aim to be the battery supplier with its planned Gigafactories. Another reason they released their patents on their vehicles.
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    Absolutely. Elon has openly stated that he subscribes to the rising tide theory.
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    FTR, I wasnt really arguing that Tesla was going to go after other EV makers in some sort of monopoly, just arguing that they would seek to codify their business model of direct from factory purchases. I would assume other EV makers will mostly immitate Tesla's business model.
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    Just wait until you hear about the three-tier alcohol distribution system that still exists in most states.
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    He's also put his money where his mouth is - he released all of Tesla's patents.

    I was really skeptical about Tesla and Musk at first, but I've read nothing but good things about his car and I like that he's a big thinker - SpaceX and the Hyperloop may never be practical realities, but he's investing in a lot of interesting technologies. For that, I can forgive him the abomination known as PayPal.
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    So, are you saying that consumer preference isnt the only reason my choices are limited to Miller, Coors & Budweiser products at 7/11? :)
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    That ridiculous stuff the distributors (via a Lakeland state rep) tacked on to the legalize growlers bill earlier this year in Florida where if a brewery sold more than a certain amount directly at the brewery they would have to sell the overage to a distributor and buy it back had me irate. Completely un-American.

    This strikes me as similar. If there is value in having dealerships then the market will bear that out. If not, then too bad for them but the market is better off.
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    Why not?

    first privately funded, liquid-fueled rocket (Falcon 1) to reach orbit (28 September 2008)
    first privately funded company to successfully launch (by Falcon 9), orbit and recover a spacecraft (Dragon) (9 December 2010)
    first private company to send a spacecraft (Dragon) to the International Space Station[5] (25 May 2012)
    first private company to send a satellite into geosynchronous orbit(3 December 2013).
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    My concern centers on the unrestrained and unregulated capitalism at the core of their model. Most markets aren't truly free and that is a good thing.

    There are other reasons too, such as the nature of their "partnerships" and the phony baloney "sharing" economy that really is about funneling money to the few too while offering even less secure working conditions. Seems to me we'd be/are replacing an old "cartel" with a new one, one that might even be more problematical.
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    There is a lost of risk/cost transference there, and its transfered away from Uber whereas taxi services are bearing the costs/risks of regulation and insurance which they cant really transfer. I was talking to someone who was considering using their car for Uber, and there is some serious grey area in terms of insurance. Apparently Uber will only accept liability if customers are in the car. If you are on the way to pick up someone and hit a car or injure someone? Not so much, even if they are technically "on the job." Obviously this is a big problem for insurance companies too if your private auto is moonlighting as a taxi service. Most policies have exclusions for such a thing, but again, theres a serious grey area that hasnt been figured out yet.
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    Won't be a shock. Tesla has already invested millions of dollars in earth works on that site and it is the location they showed Panasonic officials.
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    To add to my prior post, Musk indicated that the only thing holding up the Nevada location was concessions from the state and the ball was in the state's court.
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    Hey, I'm not a pessimist... exactly, but there's a huge difference between proving a concept and making it profitable enough to continue. Getting into space isn't that hard anymore - but it's costly.

    One of SpaceX's goals is to bring down the cost of space launches and that's a tall order.

    But hey, like I said - I appreciate a dreamer. If he can do it, great!
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    I own a beer store. It's a ridiculous industry. I'll leave it at that
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    If you believe Musk he can already do it for a quarter of what Lockheed/Boeing are currently charging the US.
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    Of course it's costly and he's doing it cheaper.

    Now, making space profitable, I'm sure a lot of people would love to hear good ideas about that.
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    Check slca and emes during that same time. Sand is the new gold. Wish I would have bet the whole farm.

    How is the car insurance companies treating Uber and lyft?

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