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Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by philobeddoe, Jul 23, 2014.
They do, they have had subsidized health care for months.
So...in the typical liberal mindset, the ends DO justify the means huh? Since they are likely to never actually use or benefit from the fraudulently obtained healthcare, it really isn't a big deal that they defrauded the companies in the process.
Your defense of 'all things Obama' is unbelievable. Even when presented with basic ineptness and flawed controls in the Obama designed system--indisputable evidence of a failed system....you STILL seem to accept it because basically, 'no one benefits or gets hurt in the end'. Procedures be damned huh.
Actually, given the performance of the NSA, DOJ-INS, IRS, and DHS-ICE .... a 60% failure rate may be pretty good for this administration.
Did the ACA keep backups of the signups; or, were those erased too?
If they pay a premium and never use a benefit, you're still claiming they gained something? like what? what specifically did they gain?
I'm not claiming anywhere that they will have gained anything--what I said(go back and read it again...slowly this time) that regardless IF anyone ever uses the benefits of healthcare or never uses it--the mere fact that it is wide open for FRAUD should be of concern to a functioning brain. Most everyone in this thread is voicing the concern that the system allows fraud to occur. THAT should concern you as well, but alas--you are more focused on the fact that they would gain nothing, so 'what does it matter'.
To be honest--who gives a chit whether they reap a benefit or not??--the mere fact they can get signed on in the first place due to fraud because of the entire process being a totally worthless system is THE point.
I guess your devotion to Hussein and your expertise on deflection blinds you to what is really important here.
so maybe you shouldn't have responded to a question about what they gained if you weren't interested in the subject.
Are illegal aliens eligible for Obamacare policies or subsidies? If not, what's to keep them from getting forged identity paperwork and taking advantage of holes like that to get subsidized plans that they otherwise may not have access to?
I'm not sure who would stand to benefit from poor security and verification protocols, but you can bet that some enterprising individuals will find a way to make it pay.
Nice dodge and deflect attempt in your typical manner. Perhaps you should pose a question which actually deals with what the OP was stating--verification process flaws. In post#5 you stated that it doesn't sound like a good deal for the scammer. To which most folks would likely agree--even I did in that case. I never said or even implied they gained anything(contrary to what you implied in post#45). But your subsequent posts in your typical fashion of repetition, have seemed to be more concerned about what a true scammer might benefit by doing so. So yet again I state...who really gives a flying flitter what they may or may not gain...if anything at all?--the premise of the thread was centered around, and pointing out the fraud potential in the first place. You seem to be the only one who is attempting to shift the focus to the end result on benefits. The rest of us realize the gaping lack of security in the first place is vastly more important than any benefits a scammer may or not receive.
A 'scammer' would have little to gain by fraudulently signing up--BUT they shouldn't be able to sign up fraudulently in the first place. Not a difficult concept here river.
Only a poorly constructed system would allow it to happen. Which only parallels the entire ACA from inception.
Does anyone think that a group of people who made a big point of having x number of people signed up by a certain date would have something to gain by having insufficient verification procedures built into the system?
Woo woo...they only got it dead ass wrong, 60% of the time!!!!
That's considered a monumental success, in Obamaworld.
C'mon River.....you're better than this.
First, allowing BS insureds to sign up screws up the entire actuarial calculus in determining potential payouts, vis a vis premiums;
Second, allowing for bogus insureds allows Barry to FALSELY claim success for Obarrycare. As in:
"...well golly gee....look at how many folks have signed up for ACA? What an incredible success".
Now I realize y'all neo-libbies seem to have some sordid infatuation with your government leaders lying bald face through their teeth to you...
....but some of us--call us old school fuddy duddies---like some semblance of accuracy and honesty from our servants--who happen to be entrusted with the fiduciary authority of the force of law, to serve us in their governing capacity--but who none the less, remain OUR SERVANTS.
Wow... nice deflection.
It was conducted by the GAO, it was an experiment to see how easy it was to qualify to undeserved subsidies.
The intellectual dishonesty on here can be appalling. From educated people no less.
I would be thrilled if we caught and exported 60%.
Gubmnt..we get it right 40% of the time and we are going to take control of your health care system so hopefully 40% of you will get proper care..signed Ben
Post 8 and post 11 said basically the same thing and then ben and river started their bs deflection and derailed the whole thread.
Let's see: I've already acknowledged more than once that the verification system is clearly flawed and needs to be fixed. But I wondered if there's really any benefit for someone signing up for a fake account, since that means they're paying for an insurance plan they're unlikely to use.
You say the verification system is flawed and needs to be fixed, and agree there's no real benefit to signing up for a fake account.
So you really ought to figure out what you're arguing about, other than as an excuse for personal insults and some silly stuff about liberals not caring about fraud.
So you figure up that a lot of people will sign up for fake accounts so that they can pay premiums just to raise the numbers of ACA enrollees to make Obama look better?
If someone is able to qualify for a subsidy that they are not entitled to, I see that as a problem. Whether they use the insurance or not, it doesn't matter.
Again, I'm not excusing the verification screwup. But if they don't use the insurance, why would anyone sign up for a fake account?