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Discussion in 'Swamp Gas' started by farfugnugen, Jan 16, 2014.
I checked Google Maps, and it does take a long time pushing the Pinto.
My Gator fanhood doesn't suffer in the slightest by gratuitously pointing out that FSU's NC and H-man were the fruits of transparently corrupt cover-up, when ever the issue comes up. All too pleased.
Whatever comes of it down the road is out of my hands--what is in my control, is to pretend--or not to pretend--that a woman wasn't raped by FSU's star QB , and that FSU/FSU sympathetic folk didn't cover it up.
Look, I have as many FSU friends as the next guy--but diplomacy doesn't require that I compromise my integrity--or that I refrain from calling out my rivals, for having compromised theirs.
....and I mean that in the nicest, most respectful, most diplomatic way possible.
One f the best posts I've seen on this forum. Kudos to you, sir.
Joyner will be tough to replace. he made huge plays all year. he was the leader for that defense in my opinion.
when FSU needed play, he came up with one.
I doubt too many Nole fans are "nervous" about anything, having just won the championship with their Heisman winning QB coming back and an impressive recruiting class lined up. But with that said I don't think their program is "back" and will now return to being a perennial title contender like they were for awhile in the 1990's. Their seasons just prior to this one will continue to be the norm for them. This one was a fluke, attributable to one superstar player exploiting weak competition.
It pains me to say it but that QB of theirs is about as talented as it gets, and although you wouldn't know it from his mushmouth nonsensical post-game comments, his football IQ is off the charts.
Here's something that's not so painful to say, though: JW will be gone after next season and then the Noles will return to mediocrity.
I think Jernigan will be much tougher to replace.
true, on tally sports radio they speak of the next championship as if they have already won it and we'll play the games next year to see who they get to beat in the finals.
That was us in 2009. And based on the talent we had returning (far stronger than FSU 2014), that should have been the case. I think they'll find it a little more difficult than just showing up.
I'm not going to write them off and say that they return to mediocrity, post Winston.
I do, however, think this championship will be their last one for awhile.
If Percy stayed it would've been the case.
He was a difference maker, no doubt.
But that Bama team was a well focused machine, and we were anything but that. Unless Percy helped clean up the team off the field, I'm not sure it would have mattered.
They are no more nervous than we were going into the 2010 season. We may have lost Tebow and other key players but we were all confident with the players who were to replace them. Who knows what will happen.
Percy would've changed our offense dramatically...alot less addazio specials aka dive plays..that bama team was really good and you know Saban started game planning for us when we beat them in the 08 seccg.
If FSU is worried about its future, we may as well cancel the 2014 season.
I agree totally except when I saw their rapist play against normal defenses he wasn't that impressive.
Is Jame is their star scholar in the infamous LD program?
TALLAHASSEE, Fla. -- The NCAA has upheld its decision to vacate up to 14 victories from former football coach Bobby Bowden as part of its penalty in an academic cheating scandal.
Bowden retired as major college football's second most-winning coach with 389 wins after Florida State's 33-21 Konica Minolta Gator Bowl victory over West Virginia on New Year's Day. Penn State's Joe Paterno, who is still coaching, has 394 wins.
Dinich: Time To Let It Go
Now that Bobby Bowden has retired -- and retired trailing Penn State's Joe Paterno -- Florida State should back off in its fight with the NCAA, Heather Dinich writes. Blog
The 80-year-old Bowden was in California on Tuesday to present a Fellowship of Christian Athletes award named after him and not immediately available to comment on the decision.
University officials, however, said they were surprised and disappointed by the NCAA's decision.
"We believed that our administration did everything it possibly could to ferret out any and all improprieties in this matter," Florida State athletic director Randy Spetman said.
The NCAA could take wins away in as many as 10 Florida State athletic programs, including possibly stripping Florida State of one of three straight NCAA track championships won between 2006 and 2008.
The NCAA Infractions Appeals Committee said Tuesday the cooperative efforts of the university in the academic cheating scandal involving 61 Florida State athletes failed to outweigh the aggravating factors in the case.
"The case also included impermissible benefits, unethical conduct by three former academic support services staff members and a failure to monitor by the university," the NCAA statement said.
Twenty-five football players were among the athletes who cheated on an online test in a music history course from the fall of 2006 through summer 2007 or received improper help from staffers who provided them with answers to the exam and typed papers for them.
In its appeal, Florida State called the sanctions that included vacating wins "excessive" and claimed the NCAA did not appropriately weigh its cooperation during the investigation. The school agreed to four years of probation and scholarship reductions.
The university still must certify which games ineligible players competed in to determine the number of wins and individual records that will be nullified.
"This will take some time," Spetman said. "We didn't believe it was a process we should go through."
The NCAA also upheld the penalty imposed against one of the central figures in the scandal, Brenda Monk, the former learning specialist who worked with the most academically at-risk athletes in the Florida State program.
Monk had received what is known as a "show-cause" action, requiring any college that hires her before 2013 to explain why it shouldn't be punished if she is allowed to work with athletes. The NCAA accused her of unethical conduct and academic fraud for allegedly typing papers for three athletes, and providing test answers to others, charges she contested.
In an ESPN "Outside the Lines" story on Dec. 13, Monk claimed that much of the help she provided was justified because she was working with athletes who were learning disabled. She told OTL that more than one-third of the football team, and three-quarters of the basketball team, had a diagnosis of LD. Monk said Bowden and other coaches recruited athletes who read at a grade-school level in some cases, as well as a few players with very low IQs who could not have survived on a college campus without intensive academic support.
Monk's Tallahassee-based lawyer, Brant Hargrove, said Tuesday that he formally asked the NCAA in December to consider the findings of the OTL report, in which Monk said Bowden knew how she worked with athletes -- a charge Bowden has denied. Hargrove said he did not receive a response.
Monk's criticisms, though, were more directed at athletic department and campus officials who she said supported the way she worked with athletes between 2001, when she was hired, and 2007, when she resigned.
Monk, now the principal at a prison school, has filed a defamation lawsuit against Florida State. Hargrove told ESPN's Tom Farrey that he plans to continue to pursue that action despite potential damages to his client being capped at $100,000 under state law.
"This stopped being about money a long time ago," Hargrove said. "It's about reputation."
Hargrove said he was disappointed in the NCAA appellate committee's decision, for both Monk and Bowden.
"I love Bobby Bowden, he brought FSU from nothing to something," Hargrove told Farrey. "Brenda's case has nothing to do with Bobby Bowden. Brenda's case is about an inept [FSU] administration."
Tom Farrey reports for "E:60" and "Outside the Lines." Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Unless they totally implode in some freaky way these folks are going to be good for a while. How long? Who knows, but they have the talent and unless coaching takes a turn for the worst... A few vacancies doesn't spell disaster. I hope they continue to do well except when we play them. I preferred the old days when we were both ranked in the top five and we beat them. More exciting, higher stakes, better wins. I'd much prefer we knock people out of contention than beat a cellar dwellar. Speaking of that...hopefully there is a light at the top of the basement stairs for the Gators. Here's to a stellar year in recruiting and play on the field... Go Gators.
Well it's good they have football -