From MSN!! of all sources--Obamacare may triple insurance premiums...

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  1. gatordowneast
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    Typical democratic philosophy...some will pay more and some will pay less. And I'm planning on my neighbors paying for mine anyway so I frankly don't give a damn.

    Old, the bill was screwed up. Quit defending the indefensible unless you wish to do it in front of a mirror. You won't convince any of us who are about to get screwed.
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    We are over $16 trillion in debt with government involvement in healthcare being one of the primary factors. So let's get get government 100% involved... :roll:
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    Government involvement as in covering the unhealthiest among us.

    Make private insurers do that and $16T will look like pocket change.
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    Well, that's bad news for people who remain totally healthy for 100% of their lifespan.
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    are dems trying to suppress the cost

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2013/07/01/the-insiders-democrats-are-trying-to-suppress-the-confusion-and-hide-the-cost-of-obamacare/?hpid=z2

    from the article:
    Smart Democrats are beginning to get frantic about the need to suppress the confusion and hide the cost of ObamaCare between now and the 2014 midterm elections. We are just three months away from the October 1st enrollment start date and so far, nothing about the ObamaCare implementation process should be politically encouraging for Democrats. In fact, the more people learn about ObamaCare, the more frightened they become.
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    The problem is that it was a mediocre solution from the start.

    Unfortunately, only one side is willing to amend and fix it. The other will only discuss killing it entirely as a solution.
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    This ACA is going to be a HUGE burden on the American people. The vast majority of Americans from both parties do not want it period!
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    Burgeoning healthcare costs are already a huge and growing burden.

    And the majority only "doesn't want it" if you factor in those who want it to do more, not be abolished.
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    So Obamas main crowning achievement according to his supporters was just a mediocre solution? Eeeeenteresting.
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    You just cannot make such an ignorant statement up...
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    Feel free to counter it with something other than a baseless insult.
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    I can't believe that one of our own esteemed libs admitted exactly what Ocare is. Make those that live their life healthy pay more for those with unhealthy conditions.
    Stop and read that a few times and it totally sums up the differences between pubs and dems.
    Tax the rich, whether they are montarily rich or health rich to pay for everyone else.
    When that is your philosophy, no wonder nothing gets done in DC. It is hard for you to compromise that state of mind.
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    So you have no problem if Government takes on an additional $16 T in debt to cover the smokers, obese and irresponsible?

    All of us have relatives or friends with catastrophic illnesses...we are not talking about them.
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    If government was not involved in healthcare there wold be NO DEBT to incur by the government and the $16 trillion wouldn't get larger as you imply would happen if private insurers and the American people took care of healthcare.

    Having to spell this out makes me wonder if this is really ignorance...
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    Jeebus... From those with ability to those with need right?

    Cost's for some with chronic care needs may well decrease... right along with the accessibility and quality of the care.

    It can be no other way.
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    From the original OP link..

    "So my reward for not smoking, not drinking, eating healthy and working out 4X a week is higher health insurance premiums? Sounds about right, after all, folks like me need to pay for those not equally advantaged. "
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    There is only one way you don't need health insurance and that is that you have enough cash to pay any possible hospital bills you may incur. Because you are healthy today does not mean that you don't need health insurance. People that choose not to pay for health insurance because they don't think they need it are the cause of most of the problems in the system. They get injured or find out they have cancer and they can not pay the bill. Then the cost of their health care gets shifted to the responsible people that already have health insurance. Of course those people then start complaining that they can't get insurance because they have an illness already.
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    moc--I'm not happy about paying taxes for those unable to provide their own healthcare. I am not happy paying increased insurance rates for the same reason.

    My support for ACA is that the existing system of corporate medicine is a disaster. ACA may be a disaster when it is fully implemented. It will likely have a nightmare transition period. But if after transition things improve I'll be very happy.

    If ACA doesn't work then deal with it then.

    To stay in the status quo of the lousy healthcare as its been for decades I don't want. and am willing to give ACA a chance to work. It appear that a number of people want to sabotage ACA, ACA being something that may or may not work. If you were truly interested in the good of America you would seek to try to make ACA work, even if you believe it is a dumb idea.

    two people are in a lifeboat that has a leak they can't seal and will sink in a few days.(healthcare system of decades bringing us to crisis)
    -one person starts rowing in the direction he thinks there is help(Obama and ACA)
    -other person insists on not rowing because he is happy with the status quo of being on a sinking lifeboat(Cons,GOP)
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    True.

    Except we do not have health insurance. The people who think they do not need health insurance are not the cause of most of the problems in the system. It is government overreach and turning health insurance companies into middlemen for every procedure known to man just about...
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    One group believes that their healthcare should be paid for by someone else (democrats)

    and

    One group believes that healthcare is a service and if you require the knowledge and industry of another that the provider should be compensated accordingly by the person who received the service (cons,republicans)

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