Forbes: US Crumbles under Obamacare

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    I found this site on a google search and I do not know why the US only has one data point...

    That said I plugged in Bulgaria, Ukraine, Russia and Jamaca as flat tax countries and only Jamaca came back worse off than the United States for "income inequality" with Russia appearing to have been worse at some point (I do not know when these countries went to a flat tax)..

    http://www.indexmundi.com/facts/indicators/SI.POV.GINI/compare?country=us#country=al:bg:jm:ru:ua:us
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    At whose expense?

    I would love to hear what that standard is as well...
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    Overall, our tax structure is essentially flat.
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    That argument can be made under the current tax structure. I'm sure I spend more of my income on "necessities" than Lebron James do today.
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    It sounds like your problem is that there will always be someone who has it better off than someone else, which will, as our history has shown, will always be the case.
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    LOL

    Almost half the country pays nothing in federal income tax. What is it? A quarter pay nothing in income or FICA after credits?
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    Yep
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    The same "who" that funds the military, roads and other things we deem essential to our well-being or "general welfare" if you will. There will never be a "fixed" standard, but I think as it stands now, there is a plurality/consenus of people who think that standard is affordable food, shelter, access to healthcare, free education, and some level of pension/old age insurance/healthcare.
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    It is like this you make $1000 dollars and pay 60% you have $400. The other guy gets $100 and pays 0% then the govt gives him $200 of your money. Now you still have $100 more than him so taxes should probably go up.
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    Its true, if you consider all the taxes people pay in this country - sales, state, local, FICA/payroll, etc not just federal income tax. It really is close to a flat level of taxation in this country.
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    Not really, nearly all liberals are fine with income disparity. Steve Jobs should make more than the fry cook. Few would argue otherwise. A progressive tax structure is merely a concession to that reality to ensure some level of competition and opportunity for people, and mitigating the tendency for people to close doors behind them.
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    You are right for once
    It isn't fair.
    Not fair to the guy that had to pay more.
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    I don't imagine he hangs around with or speaks with business owners and probably is not briefed on policies and is likely not very smart. I would just trust Obama if I were you. He will take care of you and your family.
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    Really? So now we just lump all of the state and local taxes into our federal taxes and call it flat because some save more of their earnings and call our taxes "flat"?

    You can't make this stuff up...
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    No doubt there is and has been a plurality of people with the ability to use force to transfer wealth to themselves for the standard of living they think they are owed. It is sad.

    Yes a military to protect us is one thing. Redistributing future generations wealth so one can keep their 2/3 bedroom house/condo/apartment, enjoy a steak dinner once in a while, go on an extra trip, etc is not a standard of living one is owed. Now if ones family, charity or community wants to provide for those extras by all means...
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    Don't have to make it up:

    http://graphics7.nytimes.com/images/2003/01/20/business/21DOUBLE.chart.jpg

    People at the bottom end pay nearly the exact same percentage of their income in taxes as the people at the top.
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    Do you think our current tax system is efficient? Using terms like progressive and regressive makes no difference, what really matters is what's truly efficient and best for everyone, including the rich and the poor and those in between. I dont see how a flat tax structure hurts anyone any more than our current tax structure does, and i would certainly be considered low income by most at the moment.
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    Well, ensuring a basic standard of living is protection/security too. I dont see how its any different from tax-funded military, personally.
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    shocking.

    Two posts in, and the neo-libbies seek to deviate from the issue (Old), and engage in ad hominem attacks (wqb).

    ISSUE:

    Economic Feasibility of Obamacare.

    Not what did Bush II do that helped make Barry's job a bit more challenging, or what Steve Forbes's tax plan he proposed 20+ years ago look like, if it were implemented....

    Don't let yourselves get distracted by those seeking to obscure THE ISSUE.

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