Forbes: US Crumbles under Obamacare

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    Op Ed by Steve Forbes

    Obama's signature legislative accomplishment going down the pooper
    "In terms of implementation, Obamacare is imploding because it's unworkable in the first place: the idea that people with spreadsheets in Washington can run 20 percent of the economy," he declares.

    "Bad ideas or destructive ideas die a very hard death, so they still have this illusion in healthcare," Forbes said. "It's going to get worse, it's not going to get better. They're doing real harm to the medical device industry, which has been critical for improvements in the standard of healthcare in this country.

    "They are hoping that maybe putting implementation off a year on the employer mandate would somehow get businesses to hire. In the real world, if you think something is going to hit you hard a year from now or a month from now, you're not going to hire when you see bad things coming down the road. So it has distorted patterns in terms of hiring, which is why in these jobs reports you see more part-time jobs being created than full-time jobs.

    "It's ridiculous and destructive," Forbes said.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/st.../2013/07/29/id/517589?s=al&promo_code=14571-1
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    Water is wet. Obama knows absolutley NOTHING about running a business.
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    and many business people have screwed up the American economy
    GWB/Cheney
    GOP leading up to Great Depression, etc

    so why should the GOP and business people be the only ones t screw up American economy

    What those who promote the notion of business people to be best for Aemrica's economy fail to comprehend is that business people are biased to favor the business portion of an economy....

    Who America needs to best address American economy are economists...not MBA's
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    You should probably listen. Steve knows a thing or two about ridiculous and destructive ideas, being a flat tax advocate.
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    Here we go again blaming Bush again!! You liberals cannot handle the fact that Obama is an epic FAILURE!!!
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    Is that really your argument? You believe that the GOP and W. Have "screwed up the American economy," so the Democrats should get to destroy the economy as well?
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    So because Forbes, I'm assuming, supports some type of flat tax - his expertise is out the window?
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    Expertise in what? His field is publishing, not insurance or public policy. Really, he's just another non-expert with a opinion.
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    ???

    How is the flat tax destructive?

    Thanks to Wilson our government has now created how many thousands of pages of a "progressive" tax code?
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    why should employers be responsible for providing healthcare to employees? let them buy their own healthcare like they do other goods and services. very simple.
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    I think most of the pages came latter, with all the deductions, exemptions and tax credits added latter. You could just as easily have a thousand page "flat tax" code, if you have similar exemptions, deductions and credits. The main reason a flat tax is destructive is that is incredibly regressive in nature.
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    So, regressive in nature is bad when it comes to flat tax why exactly? Is everything that is 'regressive in nature' bad, since that's the main reason it is destructive, and how exactly is it regressive?
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    Who cares if it is regressive. Do we have some right to a standard of living?

    I personally like the Fair Tax so people can choose when/where/what they are taxed for. It even allows everyone to avoid being taxed on the essentials. Though I am sure the liberals would argue the rebate for essentials is not enough because we Americans deserve more. :)
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    Basic math. 15% my income is a bigger hit to me in terms of spending power than 15% of LeBron James' income. In a country with a government where spending power buys you influence, you can see how this might be destructive in terms of equality, representation and basic fairness. I don't expect to convince you, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a nation that has a flat tax that also doesnt have a huge disparity of wealth and equality.
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    Sure, I think we do have a right to a basic standard of living.
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    So if i make 100 dollars today, and i owe the government 15 dollars, and you make 1000, and owe the government 150, that's not fair? Because they still have more money, it doesn't affect them as much, that's the argument? I realize thats a simplification, but I'm just trying to understand ehy exactly you're against it.
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    What the hell ever. Yeah, a simple flat tax would bring the US to its knees.

    Wise up.
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    "Insert WAHHHHHH" button here.

    Definitely destructive to have the non-producers actually have skin in the game.
    /sarcasm

    Upside down economics is definitely the liberal forte'.
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    No, it is not fair. After taxes, who's spending the greater percentage of their income on necessities? The guy with $85 or the guy with $850? Things like food, clothing and shelter don't cost 100 times as much for people with more money.
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    Without knowing what the flat tax percentage would be, how can you say that? The one thing for sure a flat tax would do is put a lot of IRS employees and accountants out of work. H & R Block would hate it.

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