For those pronouncing electric cars dead

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    Believe what exactly? I have no problem with being a skeptic but you can at least admit there are some good things going on in this area and progress is being made.

    Anecdotally, Tesla is ahead of schedule with at least one of those stations. The one closest to my house just opened this week and wasn't scheduled to do so until sometime this winter.
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    I just happen to have the 2013 year to date number:

    3 tenths of 1 percent.

    2012:
    1 tenth of 1 percent.

    So it has tripled. Awesome.

    Since March, there has not been an increase month to month. July actually had 600 less sales than the average of the previous 4 months.
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    Believe that this will be revolutionary when it gets much much much further along. Not saying it isn't going to happen. I am just not bullish on it.
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    This is actually pretty impressive, all things considered, especially given how few hybrids were sold around 2000.
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    I know what the term means jack! You like to make up arguments just to type crap about things. You love arguing about nonsense, just for the sake of arguing. Electric cars are not ready for prime-time right now, without huge sums of of money and government interference into fossil fuels. Which are designed to raise the price of gasoline and other fossil fuel energies.
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    Well if so, you sure misused it there.
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    No, I prevented you from arguing about Ford.
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    I didn't bring up Ford, you did. And you talked about subsidies, which Ford has (and continues to) received. Then you changed it from subsidies to stimulus.

    That's not a straw man argument, Rick. That isn't what it means.
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    Furthermore:

    $6B
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    I know what it means, but you're the one that argues nonsense. Everything I mentioned is related to government interference in the private sector. Or in relation to subsidies that helps pick winners and losers.

    I can go back and explain every single one of my posts, but I'm not wasting my time on such nonsense. It's all related - the government's interference into the pricing of fossil fuels - through new regulations and the subsidies it gives electric car maker - to the money people get for buying these very short range vehicles.
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    Even if that were true (again, you mentioned Ford and subsidies, not me), it still applies to all automakers.
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    Linky.
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    Government subsidies are part of the landscape that RINO's and the Dems love to give out. But, the subsidies of the past were not coupled with other regulations designed to kill one industry just to create a new one, like Obama and his "junta" are doing.

    Do you understand that distinction?
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    No Rick, he does not argue nonsense. Just because you disagree with it doesn't put it in that category.
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    First, this is a specious and largely inaccurate claim. Subsidies for fuel efficiency have been given out before, which is the only regulation that coincided with these subsidies (which were also given to gas fuel automakers).

    But more importantly, you've confused your argument. What you're saying is not "I don't like electric vehicles because government intervention" but "I don't like government intervention because government intervention."

    It's the conflation that's unfair.
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    Thanks for the link. So Ford borrowed 6.5 billion and they still own some of it back?

    This (below) is interesting, and it makes my point about Obama picking winners and losers! And Fords loan was not a BAILOUT.

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    Again, the word you used was subsidy. The article I linked also showed how it was a is-but-isnt-a-bailout situation. Is it only "picking winners and losers" if the pile of cash is called a stimulus (which had to be paid back) but not when it's called a loan?

    Further, I think you need a refresher on the history of the auto bailout.
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    HERE IS MY POST #128
    Where am I wrong? They got a loan with good standing credit, which is different.
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    You don't think Obama is picking winners and losers? But, you're right about him... he's not arguing nonsense.

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