For those pronouncing electric cars dead

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    I read that, too.

    They couldn't roll it over by conventional test methods due to incredibly low COG (battery under carriage), which also improves handling, i.e., safety.

    The lack of large engine allows for improved safety in many ways not least of which: large front crumple zone. Elon called the lack of engine "unfair" in regards to comparing safety to ICE cars.

    The crush machine broke after applying more pressure to the roof than had ever been applied to any car's roof before.

    Have I mentioned 0-60 < 4s?
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    They remain uneconomical. But have more potential to be "feasible" than straight battery powered. The Tahoe hybrid would be of interest to me.
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    Well uneconomical is a relative term. Hybrids have proven to be economical for quite a few Americans, but not for many others. But even a used Geo Prizm isn't economical for many Americans.
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    Lets say uneconomical for larger vehicles like SUVs. Distance on a charge is an issue and typical electric is light and small. Other issue is battery replacement. I've read stories about $6k-$8K replacement costs. That defeats the gas savings.
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    You can add Oregon and yourself to that logic.
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    I'd be scared if you didn't.
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    Becoming more dependent on Chinese imports is not a way of improving the health of our country, nor our economy. We cannot even produce half of the expensive (most important) parts of the electric cars because we need rare-earth elements to make the electric motors. Liberals are dead set against mining them here in the U.S..

    And the extra added electricity our electric grid needs to keep peoples' cars charged are just two of the short sighted reasons why the Obama administration has no clue about how to draw-up sound energy/anything policy.

    Nothing works in a vacuum, there are several parts to this electric car industry equation.

    There are several questions that need to be answered before we start depending on foreign materials to make the electric cars here in America.

    When he gets honest enough to make a sound budget that the congress will pass... then we can start to look into what is feasible and profitable (not too expensive to run in the private sector without more added taxes or government interference) then we'll see everything it takes to make this electric car industry an industry that can stand on it's own and create private sector jobs that will stimulate healthy economic growth.

    We don't need our government intruding more into industries where with out them they cannot stand alone... Maybe this is exactly what Obama wants' - total dependency on the Federal Government to assist all industries in America. This is not a free-market model that made our country the greatest nation on Earth. That is socialism at it's most insidious takeover/control.

    In the end we still need more power added to the grid in a time when Obama is killing cheap, affordable, indigenous energy in America. This lack of cheap energy adds to the cost of the electric car to the consumer.
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    This is a false dilemma given how much material for standard fuel automobiles comes from China already. It's a negligible difference; if you buy a car, there's a ton of Chinese material in it.
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    Good luck if you buy one. Looks like the closest dealer is Dania Beach/ Miami for anyone in the Gainesville area. Sounds like it is for someone who has more money than they know what to do with. I bet parts and repairs are fast and easy, Not, lol. Best to have other vehicles for everyday use.
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    Not entirely true. Tesla has turned the tables on this. Batteries are getting cheaper and more effective while gasoline will continue to rise.

    It's simply a matter of time before someone does to mid-size and compacts what Tesla just did to luxury sedans.

    Here's an interesting model for future delivery as well.
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    They don't work on a dealer system. Tesla will actually come pick your car up, take it to service, give you a loaner car in the interim, and return it. You can also pay them extra and have them fix it at your home. And the closest service center to Gainesville looks like it is in Tampa, with one coming soon to Jacksonville and Orlando.

    http://www.teslamotors.com/findus?search=32608&type=service
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    We have indigenous materials to build combustion engines, but not electric motors, not without paying whatever the Chinese decide to charge us for rare-earth materials needed for these electric motors.

    Not even close to a "false dilemma"... Nice try though.
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    Wrong, we have them. We just have to mine them.
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    To wit:

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    That means I'm correct when I say we have to buy them from China... or someone else at this point in time.
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    And this:

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    Electric vehicles are looking to be a trend for the future. Thus the links I provided shows the U.S. doesn't have to look to China as we move further along the path to greater production.

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