For those pronouncing electric cars dead

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    Go back and re-read, you'll find the answer you seek.

    Obama is your King/Master/Nanny if you want to kill fossil fuels.
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    I do not support Obama.

    This thread isn't about Obama.
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    It's about the death of electric cars which would be true if Obama didn't get involved. In the near future electric cars will be cheap, efficient, affordable and made mostly right here in the U.S.A, but not right now... I also can't wait to see electric cars all over the roads in the U.S..
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    So like I said, it's not about Obama. Thanks for agreeing.
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    Tesla Motors - which the thread is explicitly about - took in about $600M in private equity over the last 6 years and is worth about $3B. Your attempt to hijack this into some partisan quibble does nothing to further an otherwise valid conversation.

    It's a shame.
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    For some of us it is not.
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    How do they determine the value of a company? I thought I had read that they had 20 billion in shares outstanding. Moreover, I would guess that if another company wanted to purchase Tesla they would be paying in excess of 3 billion.
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    There are a number of ways, generally market value but you're right it's apparently far beyond $3B.
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    You're shameful... it's the title of the thread I'm referring to, and Tesla as an independent company was fine way before they received a cash infusion... good for them, but you'd like to think that not all subjects are completely isolated and totally unrelated to the bigger picture. I've talked an nauseam about TESLA and their success story, but I like to think that threads have some slight room to evolve and encompass a bigger picture. But you of all people trying to contain this thread to not include the electric cars industry is laughable. There is plenty of room to talk about other electric cars see the OP below. If the OP mentions others car makers are they not fair game to discuss? And is the cost, fueling and manufacturing not part of that same subject?


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    So end of story! Fine before cash, the story is about Tesla Motors. Why people have to inject partisan nonsense into non-partisan stories I'll never understand but it really brings down the quality of discourse.
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    These were the top-selling electric vehicles last year:

    Chevrolet Volt: 13,497
    Toyota Prius Plug-in: 6,082
    Nissan Leaf: 4,228
    Mitsubishi i-MiEV: 403
    Ford Focus Electric: 169

    Which of these companies would have gone under without "subsidies" (sorry to use your word there again, don't want to be accused of a straw man).
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    It's not nonsense if it relates to the industry pal.
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    But your premise is:

    a) unrelated to the topic at hand

    b) factually inaccurate at every point

    And when b) has been shown you just inexplicably cry "straw man."
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    a) wrong again

    b) prove it...

    c) You're a liberal without an excuse.

    You're incredibly naive to think you're the only one allowed to expound on subjects. You do it all the freaking time, hypocrite.
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    Sigh, partisans ...
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    I mean I just spent the past three pages showing how all of your points were wrong and you still won't admit it.

    Can we talk about electric cars in this thread? Or should we just alternate "Obama sucks" and "But Bush!" like a bunch of lemmings?

    Sadly, that was also a rhetorical question.
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    Tesla is not going to change the world alone, not without the help of regulations, subsidies and kickbacks. It's all related to the electric car industry.
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    Or, you know, $600M in private equity and customers who want the product. You know, basic economic principles.
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    All of them.
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    Really, all would have gone under without electric vehicle "subsidies?"

    I think you might want to put a bit more research into that claim.

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