For those pronouncing electric cars dead

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    No, they also have received subsidies.

    Regardless, it's a totally tertiary concern that you've mistakenly attached to the merits of electric vehicles.
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    You mean when in 2006 when Ford debt rating was not investment grade? Under terms of the loan, all collateral would be released when two of the three major credit rating agencies restored Ford’s debt rating to investment grade.

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2012/05/22/ford-gets-its-logo-back/
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    You seem to be misunderstanding what he is saying.
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    I've stated before that the government loans money all the time. Regardless if Ford, GM, Chrysler and Tesla getting loans and/or bailouts it's the way Obama is using his agencies (EPA et al) to kill coal and make all other fossil fuels so expensive that he ends up enticing Americans to buy these expensive electric cars that is not quite ready to stand on it's own, save Tesla. Tesla was and is the lone success story in electric vehicles right now.

    One day the environmentalists in the U.S. will okay the mining of our abundant supply of rare-earth minerals so we don't have to rely on China for the manufacturing of electric motors and batteries used in making electric cars.
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    And alone that's okay... just like our government's funding of NASA, Los Alamos, Sandia National Laboratories, Oak Ridge National Labs, DARPA et al... That is an invaluable investment into our technological future. But killing coal and highly regulating other fossil fuels is a bad idea.
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    You guys must think I don't want electric cars, and you'd all be dead wrong.
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    What are you talking about here? You're all over the map.
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    How many auto makers failed in the early to mid 1900s? By the 1990s we were down to a whopping three domestic manufacturers. It's a tough business and even harder to break in now without massive amounts of capital. That leaves helping finance upstarts (where a lot will inevitably fail) or provide incentive for existing manufacturers to engineer, build and sell electric cars.
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    It was a loan, not the same thing, but equally not important to my argument. So does that change what Obama is doing. Does that change my main augment, does that change anything related to our government? No! Obama is still picking winners and losers instead of just giving loans, in the case of ford, WHICH IS NOT THE SAME THING AS A BAILOUT. He's actively trying to kill/restrict/inflate-the-price-of fossil fuels
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    That's the nature of the beast, and I have no problems with low interest loans to help buy new technologies to make it happen. But I'm against supplying subsidies for union pensions that do nothing to create new infrastructures for manufacturing new products.

    Yeah, and just think about how often the Government will have to "bailout" electric cars that are far more expensive to build.
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    They got the exact same loans as did Fisker, Tesla, etc. What "subsidies" are you talking about that Ford wasn't privy? (this is a rhetorical question, there are none)
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    Try to stay on point instead of using a non issue and arguing about it. This is about Obama actively killing fossil fuels and picking winners and losers. Straw man arguments are hilarious/boring.
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    You seem to be misunderstanding what it is you are saying.
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    These are all points you introduced to the thread, not me!
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    Try and see the big picture and maybe you'll understand what I've been saying.
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    :laugh:

    You've been saying everything and yet nothing at all. And then when I follow your train of thought you say to stay on topic.

    It would be comical were not not so confusing and sad.
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    You rail against subsidies - which you claim Ford doesn't get - and then when that's blown up you say "stop focusing on subsidies."

    I mean, you can't have it both ways. And you still don't appear to know what a straw man argument is, but ironically you've been demonstrating it aptly this entire thread.
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    So you never had any real intention of discussing the topic, huh?

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