For those pronouncing electric cars dead

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  1. oragator1

    oragator1 Premium Member

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    All I know is that if Elon Musk touches it, I should be buying in early.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hrysler-Porsche-California.html#ixzz2czwXYaLH
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    asuragator Well-Known Member

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    "The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

    ~Electric Car :)
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    Great to hear

    We as a society have to move forward from harmful energy sources in a methodical way that doesn't put too much burden on the economy
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    If they really want them to be deemed a success then they need to get the price within the range of the average car buyer. I know that will take time but it should be their goal in my estimation.
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    asuragator Well-Known Member

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    Agree. And yes, it will take time, though I take it is a given that the goal is to make them affordable, otherwise it seems kind of silly to put so much labor and money into developing vehicles that aren't utilitarian.
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    Gatorrick22 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, one trillion taxpayers' dollars goes a long way to save one dieing industry. :roll:
    Cost effective... hell no, worth killing one industry and thousands of jobs for it... hell no.
    Socialist tactics used by our government to achieve saving electric cars at it's most insidious... hell yes.

    This equates to the biggest waste of money per job in the history of mankind. Although I do think Tesla is a good car, even before Obama gave them money.
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    I don't think it's dying. I get the feeling you would like for it to be because you relate electric cars to liberals.
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    Gatorrick22 Well-Known Member

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    Wrong, I liked Tesla, and the idea of electric cars, before Obama politicized it. I hate the socialist government picking winners and loser in private industries at the cost on one trillion taxpayers' dollars.

    Helping to promote an industry is even okay in my book, but not at the cost of killing other industries and causing our country to become more energy DEPENDENT on foreign countries to achieve it.
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    Government has been picking winners and losers in industry a very long time. Read up on the Railroad Barons and the deals they had with the federal government. As far as becoming more energy dependent I believe it can be shown we are headed in the opposite direction.
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    Gatorrick22 Well-Known Member

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    We needed railroads to become the country we are today, This would fall under the statement I made in post #8 about the government 'helping to promote an industry'.

    How do you square your analogy above with killing our energy independence... with regards to coal and natural gas being taxed to extinction? The railroad made thing cheaper and goods more accessible/cheaper to all people... the very definition of making life better and less expensive for all Americans. How does electric cars achieve this distinction of usefulness by our government to all, and what about affordability?

    The government should help big industry... as long as it helps make life easier for all of it's citizens, and makes life more affordable then what we have right now.
  11. G8trGr8t

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    if Tesla holds $160 next week I might have to move some of the IRA around and invest. I can see them adding lines and spreading to europe and asia. Do you think they will manufacture here or there when they do?
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    gatordowneast Well-Known Member

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    I'm totally sold on electric cars...on the golf course or driving around communities on cart paths. Until they can get economically battery power sources at replacement time, not really feasable for most. Hybrid is another story.
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    You were bashing hybrids as uneconomical just a year or two ago....
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    So the only interest should be financial outcomes? If a policy improves overall health in the country, that is useless?

    Regardless of your answer to that question, I showed you on an earlier thread that powering cars using the electric grid is a far more efficient use of energy than using separate internal combustion engines. Basic econ would say that the use of a more efficient energy source should either increase demand (ie. people will drive more presumably in pursuit of higher utility) or decrease price (or in all likelihood some combination of both).
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    On the topic of the thread, I didn't see it posted here but Tesla is claiming that they literally broke the crash test equipment by being too safe. They are claiming to have the highest internal rating ever released by the NHTSA, although the NHTSA has released a statement that they don't rate cars above five stars (which is the rating it released for the Tesla for all components of the crash test).
  17. HallGator

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    Once again do some reading up on just what was given them and then decide if that was needed. Basically this boils down to make excuses for the government you deem necessary or like vs that which you don't.

    I don't follow this line of thought.
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    Not impressed. That it is big in California would make me stay away from it. Most times anything people like in Cali are things that I don't.
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    Don't worry the oil companies will put a hit on electric cars like they did 40 years ago. No way they lose control of the auto market.
  20. demosthenes

    demosthenes Well-Known Member

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    First graders around the country applaud your logic.

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