For obamacare to work the young and healthy have to buy

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    It's not working. His soundbite today is something like: if you have ideas, give them to me. It won't be repealed as long as I'm President.
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    An old notion, personal responsibility....came from the conservative think tank, Heritage Foundation. Until Obama initiated this, Pub Congressmen were behind a personal responsibility mandate.

    Conservatives were for it before they were against it:

    You'll love my linky: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...re-insurance-mandate-has-long-checkered-past/
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    I'll go out on a limb here, but I would wager IF the pubs back 20 years ago had followed through with THEIR 'mandated insurance plan'---they WOULD have allowed you to keep your plan if you liked it. ;)

    As opposed to what this jackass lied about allowing.....for 3 solid years.
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    not even the same bill nana- but nice try

    you and shab must be collaborating
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    Please explain.
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    So now people that refuse to participate in Obamacare are going to be hit over the head with the personal responsibility theme? What a bunch of crap.
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    LMAO....you guys will find anything to complain about. This personal responsibility thingy came from a conservative think tank that many of you quote here....not to mention the conservative values y'all express on this forum.
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    What does personal responsibility have to do with Obamacare? Isn't personal responsibility have to do with how I take care of my own body and health?
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    Personal responsibility is the individual mandate.....read the linky I posted. Explains it all well.
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    I still have the option to participate (unless you think I should go to jail) and go to the doctor on my own dime which I do.
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    Jail? :eek: No way!
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    Being required by law to purchase policies designed by the government has nothing to do with personal responsibility.
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    I doubt Heritage suggested that the entire population be forced to also pay for Maternity Benefits, Lactation care, Breast pumps, Birth Control, Morning after pills and the 65 other items required for Compliance with Obamacare.

    Perhaps we should have started with allowing insurers to sell across state lines and allowing all existing policies to qualify as President Pinochio Promised. When the government gets between the citizen and his/her physician, we have a problem.
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    You're exactly correct. The Heritage Foundation plan did include an individual mandate just like the ACA. But, that's where the similarities ended.

    First, as you pointed out, the HF plan didn't mandate comprehensive policies. The HF plan only mandated very simple, catastrophic policies that were mainly designed to protect healthcare providers. Basically, it was similar to the auto insurance requirements where policy holders are required to hold a liability policy but are not required to a comprehensive policy. The HF plan was exclusively designed to protect the insured from free riders (the uninsured that showed up at emergency rooms).

    Second and more importantly, there was no employee mandate. The burden of the mandate was entirely on the individual.

    In other words, the HF plan was NOTHING like the ACA.
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    I should add... The HF was hypocritical about one things. When they came up with their individual mandate, they didn't mention its constitutionality. When ACA came out with their individual mandate, the HF suddenly sided in the unconstitutional camp.
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    If the young don't pony up and get insurance, they will see their "suh-weet" tax refunds wacked as a result.
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    Do you think people are that stupid?
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    Need you ask?
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    Do you honestly think the young they are targeting are worried about getting wacked $95-$300 from their refund? These are youngsters who have been Obamaized by the economy which is why they are likely working in a position for low pay and no insurance.

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