Florida Stand Your Ground...

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  1. MastaG8r

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    Stand Your Ground was not used as a defense by GZ's attorneys. The Defense theory of the case was that GZ was not merely under threat of attack from TM but was actually, physically attacked by him, and was put in a position from which there was no retreat. So the lack in Florida of a duty to retreat, which is what sets Stand Your Ground laws apart from the traditional self-defense doctrine, was not at issue in this case.

    I'm pretty sure I'm like the 5th or 6th person to explain this on Too Hot?? I wonder if it'll ever sink in.
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    Take it easy....it was posted for reference only.
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    It's curious that you seem to regard the offense of "doing police work you shouldn't be doing" as more offensive than the offense of seeing someone doing police work he shouldn't be doing and consequently discouraging his endeavors by punching him in the face, breaking his nose, taking him down, wailing on him MMA-style and bashing his head on the pavement.
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    It's amazing how much misinformation there is on the internet about this case. Take Trayvon Martin's height and weight. It has been reported anywhere from 6'2" to 6' and 175 lbs. Instead from the ME's report, it is 5'11" and 160lbs. Zimmerman has been reported as 5'7" and 200lbs.
  5. Minister_of_Information

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    Isn't it possible to take a dim view of both? Why is it necessary to pretend that Zimmerman's actions amounted to a public service in order to condemn Martin's racist actions?
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    This thread is ridiculous. It doesn't matter at all if Zimmerman was doing something stupid. It was legal. End of story.

    We all do "stupid" things from time to time that are perfectly legal.

    Trayvon died because he attacked Zimmerman. What Zimmerman was doing is totally irrelevant because it was legal.

    Is dying over a handful of punches extreme? Only if you have a crystal ball and can predict the victims injuries. The victim, at the time, will almost always fear the worst.

    The solution is simple. If you don't want to get shot in self defense don't attack someone in the first place
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    We have no idea who attacked who first. We only have Zimmerman's statement which for me should not have been introduced because he could not be cross examined. The other guy is dead. We know that Zimmerman got the worst of that fight.
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    Carrying the power of life and death in public implies prudence, doesn't it.
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    Legal? Unfortunately...a civil lawsuit should be next. Wrongful death. If he doesn't get immunity, IMHO he loses.
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    I wonder if he can now invoke the SYG defence in the civil case even though he did not in the criminal case.
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    There isn't a separate "stand your ground" defense to invoke. It just is part of Florida's self-defense law (it just adds the line about "no duty to retreat and was entitled to meet force with force" to the self-defense jury instruction).

    If you're asking about the immunity provided by the legislation? Yes, he can.
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    Sure. I don't see how GZ did anything that would qualify as not prudent. Starting the fight would qualify, but it doesn't seem like he did that.

    Under your criteria the mere fact he lived in a neighborhood that had lots of crime was not prudent. After all he had increased odds of having his house invaded and therefore increased odds of shooting an intruder.
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    Isn't there supposed to be a special SYG hearing? If you're going to be asking for an immunity hearing don't you have to do it before your criminal trial. Can you ask for an immunity hearing after the criminal trial?
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    It would be a shame if he loses.

    Look I don't know, and nobody knows who started the physical confrontation. But if TM did, then GZ should have absolutely 0% blame. The evidence tilts in the direction of TM starting the fight.

    The blame should always fall on the lap of the aggressor. It doesn't matter if we are talking individuals fighting or nations in war
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    What evidence tilts in the direction of TM starting the fight? Point me there. All we know is that GZ got the worst of it.
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    Following someone you suspect of criminal intentions into a darkened conveyance is prudent to you, hmmm.
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