Florida Pot Vote Seen Helping Democrat Become Governor

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chompalot, Jan 16, 2014.

  1. vertigo0923
    Offline

    vertigo0923 night owl mod VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    37,685
    Likes Received:
    3,629
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    sec country
    Ratings Received:
    +4,908
    looks like it's gaining momentum here in ky.

    good.
    :)
  2. MichiGator2002
    Offline

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    15,704
    Likes Received:
    412
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,775
    The undignified fraud of "medical marijauna only", or the at least self-respecting admission that they want to use it recreationally?
  3. MichiGator2002
    Offline

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    15,704
    Likes Received:
    412
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,775
    Prohibition didn't end because of people sniveling about pleading for the medicinal benefits of distilled liquors, for one thing.

    As for why I think we're better off with pot illegal it's because it's not like alcohol culturally -- to wit, people think of showing up to work or school drunk as being about the social nadir of self-respect, but nothing at all of showing up to work or school having just smoked when they got up. You get all the impairing effects of a light alcohol buzz but probably less social stigma than even a tobacco cigarette break. If you could flip the culture to one where people thought of their weed as that "working for the weekend" or "I'm never doing that again" work night mistake the way they do their booze, I might be less concerned about it not being contriband.
  4. vertigo0923
    Offline

    vertigo0923 night owl mod VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    37,685
    Likes Received:
    3,629
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    sec country
    Ratings Received:
    +4,908
    at the moment, medical marijuana. we'll see how that goes.
  5. HallGator
    Online

    HallGator Administrator VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    43,123
    Likes Received:
    873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Outer Limits
    Ratings Received:
    +3,226
    One of the very reasons I have distanced myself from the Rep party and voted Libertarian last time. Reps are not for small government. They want big government but they want it in the brand that suits them. So you have big government Dems on one side and big government Reps on the other.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. sappanama
    Offline

    sappanama VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    3,502
    Likes Received:
    58
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +122
    then put it on the ballot, don't make it a requirement for governor or other elected office, simply put it on the ballot as a constitutional amendment, but stop pretending it is a pre requisite for elected office, and that if you are pro marijuana you will somehow be capable of tackling the big issues facing our state/country
  7. corpgator
    Offline

    corpgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    May 9, 2010
    Messages:
    6,397
    Likes Received:
    164
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +749
    U
    Umm, it is going on the ballot. That is what this thread is about. It going on the ballot will supposedly bring out more democrats
    • Like Like x 1
  8. dynogator
    Offline

    dynogator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,700
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +212
    You make many assumptions. For instance, one about how everyone will suddenly start showing up to work stoned, high fives all around, and another one that no one shows up to work the worse for wear for their "weekend only," imbibing. I wouldn't be surprised if hangovers were one of the top reasons for non-illness absenteeism in the workplace.

    The only "cultural" thing in play here is your own cultural bias. You probably drink, so it's defensible, but you don't smoke pot, so it's not.
  9. CHFG8R
    Online

    CHFG8R Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 24, 2007
    Messages:
    6,238
    Likes Received:
    238
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    St. Augustine, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +1,087
    I really don't see the point in smoking before work. I guess some, perhaps, but nobody I know. Why? What's the purpose? That's for after work. I imagine the number of functional alcoholics and functional wake-and-bakers is probably a similar percentage of the overall.
    • Agree Agree x 1
  10. dynogator
    Offline

    dynogator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,700
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +212
    And by the way, drunks have been swearing they just need a drop from their flask for "medicinal purposes," since forever.
    • Like Like x 1
  11. sappanama
    Offline

    sappanama VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    3,502
    Likes Received:
    58
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +122
    corp,i didn't realize it was on the ballot, i thought it was being discussed as a possibility, i didnt even realize the ballot was available for review, and that that possibility may help elect a dim governor, with my point being what a shame that this (pot) is a topic which may help elect a governor of any party or any elected official. it amazes me that this is in the top echelon of issues which may decide our governor, ignoring taxes jobs education fishery management.......... so no lets base it on if he will allow medicinal pot, makes perfect sense.
  12. dynogator
    Offline

    dynogator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,700
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +212
    Virginia is looking into it, too. Studying it in committee and such, maybe sell it through the state ABC liquor stores. Conservatives should be all over this opportunity to raise money without raising taxes. From the WashPo:

    "And combining the data from the most definitive of these studies, here is my fiscal starting point: Virginia could reap more than $250 million a year in “sin tax” revenues on regulated marijuana sales, and save another $245 million in enforcement costs. That’s roughly $500 million a year. Granted, Virginia’s statewide budget is about $42 billion a year. But $500 million would build and fix a lot of roads and buy a lot of classroom computers."
  13. HallGator
    Online

    HallGator Administrator VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    43,123
    Likes Received:
    873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Outer Limits
    Ratings Received:
    +3,226
    Two Martini lunches come to mind.
  14. chemgator
    Offline

    chemgator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    8,366
    Likes Received:
    193
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +899
    Of course, not everyone who drinks alcohol drinks to get drunk. In fact, among civilized people past the age of 30, it is relatively rare. Most people can and do limit their alcohol intake to avoid getting drunk most of the time. Many people have a single drink with dinner, for example, and don't even get a buzz. Smoking pot is done specifically to get high, is it not? So alcohol can fulfill a social function without involving intoxication, whereas pot does not seem to. Correct me if I'm wrong here.
    • Agree Agree x 2
  15. HallGator
    Online

    HallGator Administrator VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    43,123
    Likes Received:
    873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Outer Limits
    Ratings Received:
    +3,226
    People drink for the effect not the taste.
  16. brainstorm
    Offline

    brainstorm VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2007
    Messages:
    16,433
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Green Cove Springs
    Ratings Received:
    +825
  17. brainstorm
    Offline

    brainstorm VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2007
    Messages:
    16,433
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Green Cove Springs
    Ratings Received:
    +825
  18. brainstorm
    Offline

    brainstorm VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2007
    Messages:
    16,433
    Likes Received:
    263
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Green Cove Springs
    Ratings Received:
    +825
    What??? You've never enjoyed an O'Doul's?
    • Funny Funny x 2
  19. HallGator
    Online

    HallGator Administrator VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    43,123
    Likes Received:
    873
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    Outer Limits
    Ratings Received:
    +3,226
    Nor hardly. I am not saying you can't like the taste too but the main reason people drink is for effect.
    • Like Like x 1
  20. dynogator
    Offline

    dynogator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    5,700
    Likes Received:
    53
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +212
    Considering all the lives that have been ruined by liquor, I can't believe you think it's more benign than pot.

    I haven't smoked since the 70's (and only twice then, I didn't care for it) but I don't buy your thesis that drinkers are more functional and responsible than pot smokers. One of your straw men is a stoner from "Reefer Madness," compared to straw man #2, the upstanding citizen with a strict limit on intake.

Share This Page