Florida Pot Vote Seen Helping Democrat Become Governor

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    400% from what? The black market price was that much lower from the legally available price?
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    I would like to see the crime statistics in Colorado pre and post legalization before accepting a lot of folks are stealing to fund their purchase.
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    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...ucrative_is_it_to_be_a_legal_weed_dealer.html
    from the article:
    legal pot = 50-60 dollars for an 1/8
    illegal pot= 30-50 dollars for an 1/8

    http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2013/12/will_recreational_marijuana_pr.php

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    I would guess that pot is used by 10-15% of the adult population, whereas alcohol is used by 85-90% of the adult population. That is a significant difference. Legalizing pot would push it up towards 60-80% of the population. The productivity of our country is limited by unions, lazy people and democrats, and it would not be helped by increasing the use of narcotics. If life in America is so unpleasant for people that they can't handle it without narcotics, move to another country.

    Plus I wouldn't be surprised if there are a number of undiscovered health issues associated with marijuana. Breathing in carcinogens of a partially-combusted mixture of hydrocarbons is not good for you, whether they are coming from cigarettes or weed. Society pays the medical costs associated with doing drugs.

    Keeping it illegal will not prevent its use, but would limit the use. That may be all that is required to keep the country productive and functional.
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    Great post, Chem.

    We are one spoiled, sorry lot, if we think we need to self-medicate because life is too hard in the USA.

    Compare: the starving, thirsty, infected, ill-treated, tortured, persecuted, unhealthy masses in just about half of the rest of the world.
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    So is the use of alcohol indicative of an unpleasant life? Should everybody that enjoys an alcoholic beverage consider leaving the country? Both are mood altering substance and the biggest difference is the propoganda fed to the masses by the establishment.

    what makes you think that smokers are less productuve than drinkers? Maybe if they legalized it alcohol use would go down and maybe that explains the establishment objection.

    Should we also criminalize nicotine? It is more addictive and poses more health risks than thc. What are societal costs from alcohol, nicotine, obesity? Outlaw corn syrup, twinkies and all other foods that contribute to obesity. Outlaw cigarettes and alcohol too. .
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    If it was legal there is a good chance the price would go down. However keeping it illegal is not stopping people from smoking it so if there are all those jobless potheads stealing to support their addiction then it's illegality is a useless deterrent.
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    So to sum up michi and chems points: yes, keeo throwing tax dollars into a black hole because it makes me feel better.

    How leftist of you.
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    Except that the price has gone up since it was legalized...
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    Many of them are growing their own.

    A substantial percentage (so far) of the recreational pot buyers have been from out of state. Many of the retailers aren't up and going yet because they haven't had time to jump through the regulatory hoops yet. It shall be very interesting to see how this all plays out.
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    1) it did not go up 400% you pulled that out of your ass.

    2) according to the link I posted early. Its seems the street dealers lowered their price to keep their customers.

    Also in the links from earlier, once production ramps up and supply meets or exceeds demand pricing is expected to decrease back into the 30 dollar range. This will mean the street dealer will have to lower their price even more to stay in business and the risk might not equal the reward.
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    The $30 price at the dispensaries didn't include all of the new taxes.
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    30 dollar 1/8 + tax of 29%= 38.70

    current selling price of 50 dollars for an 1/8 will cost you 64.50

    illegal dealer can sell it to you for 30 dollars but as the article mentions once production ramps up and more competition enters the market, pricing will go down.


    the dealer in the article despite saying he has a better quality product is wrong. dispensaries can grow their product in a controlled environment without much fear of being busted, so they can produce a superior product as well as produce more variety of product.

    The dealer is always under the threat of being busted and must grow his limited product in a sub-optimal environment.
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    Anyone who is in favor of legal alcohol and illegal weed is just a hypocrite, plain and simple. I can't imagine how some of you "small government, non-nannyists," square keeping it illegal.
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    One issue the retail establishments are dealing with is that they are running into significant problems finding banks willing to do business with them. Unlike most other retailers, most of their transactions are cash, and not having a place to deposit that money will make them subject to robberies.
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    personally I think this will be worked out once the numbers come in.

    I can guarantee every state is watching Co. If/when the numbers roll in and the state coffers start filling up with new money, the states will start falling like dominoes and legalize weed. Once the FEDS see the states making cash they will jump in with federal legalization and slap a federal tax on weed so they can get their share.
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    No it hasn't. I have a little more experience here than the CNN reporter/etc. $50 for 1/8th (of good quality) is and has been the going rate for years. Of course, if you buy in bulk (or know someone who does), you can find it cheaper.

    And that "rise" the media is reporting, is a reaction to the heavy demand coupled with a lack of available (legal) outlets.
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    Or, we buy it the same way we do everything else. We work, earn a paycheck and purchase it with our earnings.

    Once again debunking the dipchit myth that everyone who smokes pot is jobless and smokes all day long. Really, just about as silly a generalization as one could make.
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    Which is why Michi's stance on this is so puzzling to me. IMO, one of the better minds on here from the "right" and always very logical and unemotional in his analysis (which I typically enjoy).
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    love his honesty..."i smoke pot. .......just took a hit and getting ready for bed"

    bravo.
    (ftr, so do i)
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