Firing Muschamp at season's end would be a bad idea.

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    booms big picture is limited and has to many holes...
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    Based on the fact that we could barely beat patsies. It looks like more of a fluke.
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    I do not wish to return to those days when I battled PD, PKG and GG. Those days were extremely painful. Suffice it to say that IMO, what you wrote is flat wrong, and leave it at that. More GC kool-aid, drunk in massive quantities.

    Thanks in advance.
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    you think zook was a good coach? :whoa:
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    Last year wasn't a championship caliber team.

    They were a team that was able to hide some very significant weaknesses, that would have been exposed by a championship caliber team.

    I maintain that Alabama would have crushed us in the SEC CG.
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    No, but he was nowhere near as bad as many Gators think he was. That, of course, being a physical impossibility. To hear the GN talk, Zook was worse than Charlie Weis at Kansas or Ellis Johnson at Southern Miss. Coaches that go 8-4, 8-4 and 7-4 in three regular seasons in spite of losing a baker's dozen starters each year cannot be ALL that bad.

    Believe it or not, there are many levels of coaching quality between "Nick Saban" and "Charlie Weis." Zook was probably exactly in the middle. It was his misfortune to be sandwiched between Florida's two greatest coaches - Meyer and Spurrier.
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    Some years the ball bounces your way, some years it doesn't.

    So...what do you do during a year when it isn't going your way? You must have the ability to adapt to the fact that your opponents are not coughing up the ball 4 times a game.

    This requires you to have to manufacture your own points as opposed to counting on forced or unforced errors from your opponents.

    A great defense is very important. I'd rather have a great defense versus a great offense, however the offense has to be able to stand on its own and produce. For much of the last three years, it hasn't done it.

    Until that changes, there will be no trips to Atlanta and no shot at a championship, regardless of how great the defense and special teams are.
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    A great defense can generate turnovers, but the overwhelming disparity last year was accounted for by some extremely poor plays by our opponents (S. Carolina in particular).

    We simply cannot count on our opponents regularly shooting themselves in the foot and use that as our path to victory.
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    Concur entirely.
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    :shrug:

    I don't remember South Carolina snapping the ball and putting it on the ground uncontested but I guess we just lucked into everything last year.
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    :laugh:

    Once again, it never seems to work the other way...
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    Not that Zook was that bad, but if you go back to Graves he was probably the worst (not including interim) so it was not just Spurrier, most all Gator fans fall somewhere from Graves to Spurrier and that is who he was judged against, now Will has the same problem and at this point is only favorably to Zook and that is close.

    Graves
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    Their coach (who we all know and some of us still love) begs to differ.

    "The only thing you can hope is that your guys give it their best shot and not just lay the ball down and basically say 'Here, Florida. We don't want to win.' You guys take this fumble and this fumble and this fumble," Spurrier said. "So it was sad."
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    when fla opponents have a lot of turnovers, it's because fla's D "forced them." when fla's offense has a lot of turnovers, it's a "fluke" or just "bad luck."
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    Good points.

    I want to say that I have never coached football. I have been CEO of a good size business. My most important job was recruiting and hiring managers. I can say that I knew if a manager was going to make it in less than three years. I knew even earlier if his team had some exceptional people and he didn't develop them. Will fits that mold. If JF can't see that we are in deep trouble.
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    Is firing WM at season's end a bad idea? Ultimately, I think it doesn't matter whether it's bad or not. What matters is that a chain of events is happening which often precedes the firing (or resignation) of a sports coach.

    Poor team play (regardless of wins/losses) gets some fans alarmed, to the point that:
    Coach's boss feels the need to issue a statement of support.
    Coach publicly acknowledges that changes need to be made (beyond "coaching 'em up").
    Assistant coaches are fired.
    Team play doesn't change much.
    Coach gets fired.

    I think it's going to happen. (I am NOT advocating one way or the other; I just see it coming.) I'd guess it will probably be after 2014: to allow the new staff a chance to right the ship, and because JF just gave the coach an additional boatload of money.
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    What's the point of having a good recruiting class if we are not going to do well the following season with the current coaches? If he thought like that he would have keep Zook for infinity. I would think as he did with Zook, its best to move on as fast as possible so everthing is stable again.
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    Ill go with year 1 and year 3 disasters versus the one smoke and mirrors 11-2 season.

    Pretty amazing how some hear can't see the obvious. The hire was a big mistake from the beginning.
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    Unfortunately, I agree with you. There are good coaches available now who will get snatched up by other teams if we don't beat them to the punch. We need to gauge their interest, make contact with their representatives right now. Muschamp may end up being a good coach in the long run, but do we want to take that chance when there are proven coaches available right now, who have turned programs around, done more with less?

    I'm not worried about recruiting classes. Florida always recruits well. We'll lose some guys with a coaching change, but that's a temporary sacrifice. Once the new coach proves his acumen, the recruits will start pouring in. Would you rather have awesome recruiting classes every year, knowing that the coaching staff won't utilize or develop their skills properly? If you can't coach, you won't win consistently no matter who you recruit. Ron Zook is testament to that fact.

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    Why do you assume Bama would have crushed us given that they:
    1) could not crush (actually lost to) a team that we beat (Texas A&M);
    2) could not crush (but did beat) a team that we crushed (LSU); and
    3) could not crush a team that we played close (UGA)?

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