Firing Muschamp at season's end would be a bad idea.

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  1. CitRain12

    CitRain12 Well-Known Member

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    UF needs recruits like Lane, Cook and Grier. Firing WM would all but lose them. Finding a top notch coach with Texas/USC open which are better places than UF will be hard. Add the fans unrealistic expectations it's even harder. WM has made mistakes in Pease, Davis and Lewis so far. All are on the offensive side that he knows zilch about. Its the scheme and lack of coaching ability that are the issues. Pease wasnt as good as advertised. Coaching is a fraternity and very few coaches bad mouth their assistants to future jobs. WM got burned. Lets not set UF back like UT or 10+ years by making a big mistake. WM may not be the man but he needs another year to get it right. If he fails then go get Chip Kelly or Art Briles at 2014 season end. Otherwise UF could end up with Greg Schiano when hes canned.
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    Unrealistic expectations like being bowl eligible?

    Two words. James Franklin
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    Agreed, and it won't happen. Foley is smarter than that.
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    UF fans expect NC every year or they complain. They did it with SOS(who got tired of it) Meyer, and now WM. The fans can't expect Bama like runs. We face tougher teams than they do. FSU, LSU, UGA, SCAR, and Miami. Bama has LSU and TAMU. thats it.
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    I'm glad you speak for everyone.
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    Can't wait to see the recruiting class Muschamp can secure next year when his hot seat is turning into molten steal. I am sure every recruit will want to play for a coach who is constantly one week away from being canned next year. Grier is not going anywhere and if we made the change soon we might be able to salvage Cook and Lane.
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    Foley is no sniveling fool, he's not going to fire CWM after this season. Only ridiculously reactionary fans or trolls are suggesting that. This program is not going to be run by the lunatic fringe, no matter how many incessant posts some of these trolls or whiny fans make.

    No one is happy with the state of affairs for the team, especially on offense, but if no one thinks the injuries aren't making some real impact they have no grasp of reality.

    After next season there are no such guarantees, I'm pretty sure Champ knows this and I do think there is a decent chance UF will have a new O coordinators and O-line coach, but Foley isn't going to destroy the class or the team this year by listening to the shrill voices of snivelers.
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    Where am I wrong? Do UF fans not expect NC or do they not complain when UF fails to reach one? The schedule issue is a fact.
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    What fan expected a NC any of the last 3 years? I would love to see examples
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    People have to realize that firing a coach is not a risk-free proposition. It's incredibly risky.

    Tennessee thought they couldn't do any worse than what they had with Fulmer. And then look what happened.

    Foley has to be 100% sure the next guy is going to be better than the current guy... I don't think he is anywhere close to that yet.
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    Excellent observation. It is the same with political revolutions, where people want change and they want it NOW!! People always seem to think the new government will be better than the old one. It is rarely the case.
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    Yeah, Alabama has an easy schedule. :roll:
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    if only we could play Virginia Tech instead of Miami, the we could be the number 101 offense. Problem is if we played ole miss instead of UT we are probably then the number 115 offense.
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    LOL! Its ridiculous. Find one post that says we should be winning the national championship this year or in the last couple of years. People just want an offense that is ranked a tad better than 106 in the nation.

    And if you're an AD and you think you need to make a move at the HC position, the last thing you should be concerned about is a single recruiting class. For all we know Grier, Cook, and Lane could be another Brantley, Jones, and Debose. Even if they are great, the impact of a great head coach will far outweigh, and outlast, the impact of a handful of great recruits that you might miss out on. A better coaching staff could take our current roster right now and get much better results, IMO.

    And as for Art Briles, as much as I'd like to have him here, I don't see Foley going that route if he is looking to make a move. Briles is 57. Foley's style is more of the young up-and-comer. Franklin could be a possibility.
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    If we played Virginia Tech, we probably would have the 110th ranked offense. VT hasn't given up 400 yards of offense ina while. That said, we probably would have won, because VT's offense is worse than ours, if that can be believed.
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    Check again: http://www.oddsshark.com/ncaaf/defensive-stats
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    Also of note is that if we did can WM we would still owe him like $8M as his contract runs through 2017. That might be the primary reason Foley backs him for now.
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    Most of these generally have a clause that states $X will be paid if he is not a head coach or DC of another school or NFL team.
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    Well, firing him at the end idea would be the 2nd best idea. Best idea? Do it now.
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    you only do it if you know you have a replacement who is better.

    that is what still drives me so crazy about when SOS left. he didn't seem to care about who coached next, you think he would have made sure a plan was in place but he didn't, he left us a high and dry.

    but i disagree, we could easily to lose to uga, cocks, vandy and fsu. thats a 5 win season.
    would be lowest win total since '79, urban wouldn't even of survived that
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