Finally - blow against police “shoot first” culture

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    Agree. And your closing paragraph is spot on. Lots of good people trying to do the right thing, but a few bad apples can really ruin the reputation of an otherwise good organization. Especially when their behavior is tolerated or defended.
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    No it isnt. You are just wrong. The only time a cop should kill someone is to protect his or someone elses life. Not following an instruction from a cop is neither of these. Holding a weapon makes the situation difficult but not reason for summary execution.
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    Yes, there's no perfect fix that will make this all go away. We're just looking for ways to improve the situation.
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    Bs. If someone is threatening or holding a weapon etc etc you follow commands. I agree there have been too many instances where this excuse has been misused or abused but you can't speak in absolutes regarding this. Just like you can't regarding the opposite.
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    The cop who wasnt treating as a cookie cutter situation was fired. So the guy was mentally unstable and holding a gun. He may not have been able to understand the order. I always follow the orders of cops and then if I think they were being a jackass I complain to their supervisor. I can do that being an old white man.
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    I was adding more when Gator lawyer agreed with it. He agreed to the first sentence. Dont know his opinion on the whole thing.
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    the section 1983 standard for municipal or state liability is deliberate indifference. The case is Monnell.
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    That question tells me you think I’m ok with unneeded cop killings?

    If that’s the case then there’s no need for me to respond to you.

    Have a nice day.
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    Doesn't matter.
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    I get shooting the guy if he showed even a slight hint of aggression, but we have the right to bear arms.

    What's the point of having that right if you have to put your gun down every time an authority figure tells you to?
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    I don't believe this would be a 1983 case because he's suing for wrongful termination, not a violation of his constitutional rights. But yes, you are right that is the standard from Monell. The reason I also have my doubts about what gator_fever said is because qualified immunity is generally decided at the MTD or MSJ phase (unless there are fact issues involved) and is immediately appealable. Of course, that's how it works at the federal level. I don't know how state courts handle it.
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    Interesting question that will always be in debate I think.
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    You don’t think blacks react differently interacting with black officers vs white?

    Oh, ok
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    I don't know about the last part, but completely agree on the first part.

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