Fathers’ Names Cannot Appear On Their Biological Children’s Birth Certificates

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    In what world does this make sense? Apparently (part of) Texas.

    http://thenewcivilrightsmovement.co...-certificates/discrimination/2014/06/17/89392

    A family court judge in Texas has ruled that two fathers, a legally married same-sex couple who each biologically fathered one of two twin boys, cannot have their names appear on their own children’s birth certificates. The judge handed down his decision just days before Father’s Day. Jason Hanna and Joe Riggs married last year in Washington, D.C. While the federal government recognizes their legal civil marriage, the Lone Star State does not.

    Jason and Joe worked with a surrogate mother — not the egg donor — and each parent biologically fathered one of two eggs, making Lucas and Ethan, their twin boys, biological half-brothers. The married couple want to make them their legal children — a desire so basic it would be unquestionable if they were a different-sex couple. But Texas says not only can each father not jointly-adopt their spouse’s biological child, even their own child cannot have their biological father’s name on their birth certificate.
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    Took me a little while to wrap my head around this part.
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    Maybe this is just my ignorance, but I also dont understand that if you father a child with a woman (even a surrogate), you have to adopt the child. Doesnt the surrogate just terminate their rights in that arrangement?
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    According to the article they won't even let them see the birth certificates. So your guess is as good as theirs.

    http://www.glaad.org/blog/video-texas-dads-denied-parental-rights-their-own-twin-sons

    Neither Jason nor Joe are listed as fathers on either of their sons' birth certificates, which the men have not been able to see. They petitioned a judge in Fort Worth to add each of their names to their biological sons' birth certificates and to cross-adopt, or second-parent adopt, the boys. The judge has denied the family both requests.
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    Texas law says otherwise, so either the information in the article is wrong or the person telling this to the father is wrong.

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    It is possible the mother and father may have missed a step in the process, but I don't see why it is not still available to them. Something seems fishy about this story. Determining mother and father is not necessarily related to the construct of marriage...not even in Texas:

    https://www.texasattorneygeneral.gov/cs/parents/cs_paternity.shtml



    Ways to Establish Paternity
    Acknowledgment of Paternity
    The Acknowledgment of Paternity (AOP) is an administrative process that allows parents who are not married to each other to establish paternity for their child. When both the biological father and the mother sign the AOP form and it is filed with the Texas Vital Statistics Unit (VSU), it becomes a legal finding of paternity. The biological father then becomes the legal father and has all the rights and duties of a parent, including his name being placed on the birth certificate. Parents who would like to establish paternity for their child through the AOP process must seek the assistance of an AOP certified entity.

    Parents may complete an AOP before, at the time of, or any time after the birth of the child, but before a child support order or paternity determination is made. If the father cannot be at the hospital at the time of birth, the AOP can be completed at the county birth registrar's office or at an Office of the Attorney General (OAG) child support office, or by an AOP certified entity. There is no cost to complete an AOP for a child.

    Note: Parents are not required to open a child support case to complete an AOP at an OAG child support office.

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    more homo crapola from the sixer
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    A father should be allowed to be on their biological son's birth certificate - gay or not.
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    Each man should appear on the birth certificate of his biological son. Both of them sound like they each have one biological child, not children.
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    Call me intolerant. Call me narrow minded, but these poor kids are going to grow up all kinda confused.

    What a mess we have made in this world.
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    Confused by having two loving parents? More kids should be so lucky.
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    What a screwed up world this is becoming.
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    Agreed, seems like a non-birth "mom" would have to adopt but not the bio dad.
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    Taking religion out of the picture. Isn't it my understanding that the biological father is the one supposed to go on the birth certificate? Isn't this why women who don't know who their kid's dad is leave this blank?

    This is a simple case of biology. The biological dad should be listed as the father. Period. You're not talking religion here, you're also talking legal status, you're talking insurance benefits, death benefits, Soc. Security for the child should something happen, etc.
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    yes, only heterosexual couples should have the right to screw up children...
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    "becoming"?

    did you miss history?

    Some children being raised from gay couples is not high on the list of current worries...certainly not in comparison to the tens of millions of kids not being cared for properly from heterosexual couples, often not together..
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    so what, you want me to take up for a bunch if dysfunctional a*holes that that can't care for their kids? We are becoming a such a messed up society it's disgusting. You want to destroy a society, you do it from within. The lines are all blurred so no wonder kids are screwed up. Society tends to condone many things that we shouldn't and we tend to ostracize many things that are a waste of time. In other words we have our priorities ass backwards.
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    I hear kids these days walk on your lawn too.
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    In fairness I did say "we".

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