Fans have such short memories….

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  1. HotlantaGator
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    ..are people actually asking why FSU supposedly so much more talent than UF?

    Was anyone on this site a gator fan back in 2010-2011, when Urban Meyer finished his 18 month identity crisis with a 2010 no-show capped off with the resignation that surprised no one?

    FSU is now reaping the benefit of Meyer's flameout followed by the transition to Muschamp.

    Other than Winston, almost all of its top performers in today's game FSU signed during Meyer's "I resign, no I'm back, no I resign again" fiasco in 2009-2011.

    Kelvin Benjamin was a UF fan in HS, but he signed with FSU due in part to Meyer's 2010 no-show and the uncertainty at UF.

    Who was FSU's leading rusher today? Wilder, he was actually a UF verbal commit who decommitted during the Meyer flameout.

    Rashad Greene, Nic O'Leary, more 2011 signees.

    Who were FSU's leading defenders?

    Christian Jones, LaMarucs Joyner, Timmy Jernigan, again all FSU signess in 2011 after Meyer's year long resignation.

    Joyner was a UF commit and Jernigan a heavy UF lean before UF's ridiculous 2 year transition to Muschamp.

    The players who were signed during that period are now 4th and 5th year players, and FSU is benefitting.

    We expect DeMarcus Robinson and Kelvin Taylor to man up in their first years, but look at Wilder and Benjamin.

    They did close to squat their first couple years, but now in their 4th years they perform. Same with Devonta Freeman, O 'Leary, Rashad Greene, surprise, surprise they get the job done as 4th years.

    Compare that to Muschamp's 5th and 4th year skill players (when they weren't injured) most of them are spread-type players (Driskel, Murphy, Burton, Patton, DeBose). As proud of those players as I am, I have to cut Muschamp some slack b/c his experienced players aren't ideal for his system, and the players who fit his system are still very young.

    FSU took major advantage when UF got hit with probation in the early 80's, their recruiting while UF was down drove FSU to its late 80's/early 90's dominance, now FSU is reaping the benefits of UF's mini-recruiting slump in 2010-2012.

    I guess I'm old enough to have seen these cycles wax and wane, the seeds of today's disappointing loss to FSU were sown 4 and 5 years ago.
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    6 - 5 star players in 2012 didn't hurt
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    That's a solid post, Hotlanta.

    I didn't realize we lost so many recruits to FSU who played against us today.

    Thanks for helping keep things in perspective - we need that right now....
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    I've mentioned before that I blame Foley for some of the mess we are currently in. UM clearly quit on the job and Foley allowed the team to have no leadership for a year and a half in an effort to keep him. UM was a shell of himself and you could see the cracks in the offense his last year here while he was on prozac on the sidelines. Hindsight, Foley should have had someone else in place when Meyer left the first time. Then he compounded things by giving UM $million while he was out the door.
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    When was Wilder and Joyner committed to UF?
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    Hotlanta is right, but UF still recruited some decent players that tons of other teams wanted over the past 4 years. And those players have not played well for weeks and weeks now.

    This season was a train wreck, and while some of the REASONS for that are because of poor recruiting during the transition years and injuries, ultimately, the coaching has to be pretty freakin bad for Florida to end up 4-8 losing to a D2 school.
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    They never were. They were considered gator leans but were never committed.
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    Wilder was a SOW commit VERY EARLY on in his senior year.
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    Urban left a stacked defense. He left some holes on the offensive side of the ball, but really nothing that couldn't have been fixed with 2 solid recruiting classes or an offensive scheme that maximizes lesser talent.
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    Fast forward to 2025 & the same people will still be blaming Urban Meyer. Today, nor this season was UM fault.

    What we saw was 3 recruiting classes that are lacking in size, speed and playmaking ability. Thats not on UM. Throw in little to zero development and we get a sun belt team.

    UM didn't whiff on every playmaker, o-lineman, qb and kicker. UM didn't have anything to do with playing every cupcake to the wire so backups got no game reps. UM didn't have anything to do with juniors looking lost on the field because they get no work. UM had nothing to do with 3 years of predictable, one deminisonal offenses that a junior high coach can game plan to stop.

    The f'ing blame, 1000% of it is on agent muschamps head.

    Fire the damn dawg
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    S0 3 years later it's Meyer's fault... got it

    I'm not even saying that what you said isn't true, but c'mon when are we going to let go of this Meyer stuff
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    It would be one thing if Meyer moved on and was stinking-up some other school.
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    So, why aren't we throwing more to Fullwood? He's in position every time we throw to him. He's a man beast. Even if we got all those players, would they be riding the bench? How often do we use the TE other than to block?
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    Nice, let's make up stuff so we can still blame Meyer. Wilder was never committed nor a gator lean. He wanted to go to FSU and play running back. The majority of those guys you listed would have signed with FSU regardless. They have always recruited well. At least with Meyer and Zook we kept up.

    And that 2010 class that Meyer signed after his change of heart was a damn good class. In fact, those players have provided the only highlights of the Muschamp era. That class had Easley, Elam, Floyd, Powell, Orr, Riggs.

    But yeah, this is all Meyer's fault. lol
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    What is the main point of this lecture about fan memories? I fully understand that Florida State has a great team and understand the reasons for losing to them. But "short memories"? My memory goes back far enough to remember losing to Georgia Southern, and there is no justifiable reason for that.
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    So how was Malzahn able to make chicken salad out of chicken s#%t in one year?
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    Obviously its not all Meyer
    Obviously its not all Meyer's fault, but let me tell what you didn't see today:

    you didn't see FSU win by running a freshman TB or throwing to freshman WRs…

    Every single FSU TD was scored by 4th year or older players…

    so the point is UF should let its coach at least get to the point so the freshman he recruited can score TDs as 4th year players….
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    This is the classic stupid fan post.

    "So and so went 11-1, why can't we?"

    Let me pause for a second so you can pick your nose….

    [one…two…three…]

    OK, the question you have to ask yourself, genius, is who should UF hire to replace Muschamp and can you guarantee that hire would go 11-1?

    List some names who you are CERTAIN would do better than Muschamp?

    Certain enough to pay the price that a fire and for would have on recruiting.

    Answer that and maybe it would be worth reading another post by you again.

    Otherwise you are just another whiner without a clue.
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    Our pass protection has been horrible for 4 years now. How can we expect to complete a deep pass when the QB is running for his life? If that doesn't get fixed first then nothing is going to change next year even with a new OC. I'm astonished watching other teams play and the amount of time QBs have to let plays develop down field. Our offensive problems begin and end with the line IMO.
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