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Discussion in 'Swamp Gas' started by Number16, Dec 11, 2013.
Memory lapses are also common for rape victims because of the trauma they suffered too.
Thanks. I hate work.
this is old but I have also read this in several places and lead me to the opinion that a drug was not used.
Initially, Rohypnol causes muscle relaxation, dizziness, and headaches, slows psychomotor responses, and lowers inhibitions. Victims may have difficulty moving or speaking. Victims often remember the effects of the drug as a feeling of being "drunk." Rohypnol takes 20-30 minutes to take effect.
Rohypnol has a synergistic effect with alcohol. When taken with alcohol, Rophypnol can cause severe disorientation and a loss of memory. These memory blackouts are typically 8-12 hours long. The victim may or may not appear "awake" during this time.
The accuser has said she blacked out and has memory loss but not for near the amount of time the drug is reported to cause.
The entire incident from Potbellys to the first call to 911 is 4-4 1/2 hours.
I mean, couldn't that be explained on dosage, amount of drug imbibed? I don't see how that rules it out.
Not sure if the report was published. Key question is how the samples were/are being stored. Here are a couple of relevant references:
Common sense, perhaps. As an attorney however, I'm disgusted that it would even be an issue, let alone that it appears to have been one.
Apparently common sense prevails, and my notions of the nobility of the legal profession are antiquated...
...or simply not applicable in Tallahassee.
But were they tested for?
So it is reasonable to expect the TPD to maintain the sample in clinically acceptable condition.
I should think so, but in this case, who knows. There definitely should be a frozen "B" sample to go back to.
its just my opinion. You could quite right. The pill is the size of an aspirin, so it could halved or even quartered. But isn't the primary reason to give it to someone is to get get the full amnesia effect?
I can not answer that. It doesn't seem it was by name in any of the reports.
Didn't ASA say all known date rape drugs were test for?
Assistant State Attorney Georgia Cappleman says the accuser's urine was checked for every commonly known date rape drug, because those drugs are metabolized in the urine and that is the best place to find them.
Seems unlikely they'd chop it up (if they were using one of these drugs), but she may not have consumed the whole drink. She supposedly was sharing drinks with friends. Be interesting to find out if any of them had symptoms.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is no date rape drug involved.
Five drinks in a short time for a fairly small person is plenty to get them lit up. Then if she really was hit in the back of the head, that adds on to it. Then trauma from the rape. Any combination of those things could trigger memory lapses.
I can attest to the validity of this. But, it could be that she didn't ingest all of it. As I've said before, I think her recall of the event is pretty complete.
Yes, this is correct.
And these are deemed credible?
I think they're deemed enough to create doubt.
I know it pisses everyone off, including me, that Winston has probably gotten away with a major crime, but I think everyone probably needs to let it go. Barring some major revelation, they aren't likely to even investigate the handling of the case and even if they do, barring some sort of major evidence tampering, they're likely to do nothing. And even if they do find inconsistencies, and decide to bring it to trial, it's HIGHLY unlikely that this case is provable beyond a reasonable doubt.
It's really unfortunate because I think Winston is a total scumbag for doing what I think we all believe he probably did. But it is what it is.
So.. when do we verify the medical report used in the SAO's investigation was different than the one given to the family the day after? Seems like that would be pretty easy to verify and if it's a different report, that would clearly illustrate impropriety.
If I read the second link properly(BIG IF) Flunitrazepam-roofies can be detected in a spiked urine sample up to 6 months if properly stored at -20C.
But will be severely degraded by the end of that time.