Evolution vs. God

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    I Challenge so called atheists and agnostics to watch and comment. Within the 16 minute mark liberal atheist college professors as well as atheist college "science" students are left "speechless".

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    I can't watch the whole video mb, but I'd love to discuss any specific points that you have.

    On first pass, looking for your "science" students being rendered "speechless", it seems to me more like the interviewer is stuck on this somewhat subjective and arbitrary belief in the concept of "kinds". As if changing from one cat to a different cat isn't a change in kind. I mean, look at the hyena.

    He also seems to misunderstand some basics regarding vertical evolution with common ancestry. Cats and dogs don't become one another. They are two independent concurrently evolving lineages, like you and your cousin. It would be like if someone asked you to prove that you were related to your cousin by showing him proof that you can become your cousin. This person would be demonstrating some pretty clear misconceptions regarding how families develop.

    He seems pretty versed with his fast paced interview style, so I'm not surprised that he was able to stump many of the students.
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    Sharknado speechless?
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    38 minutes Rade. Surely you have time. Would you consider yourself atheist or dishonest agnostic?
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    BTW, not just students stumped but science college professors as well.
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    Agreed. So do you believe every species on earth evolved from that original single celled amoeba? If so, will you admit that you take that of faith since there is no scientific proof of a cat turning into a dog or any species turning into another?

    Will you admit evolution relies on blind faith?
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    Hey mb, I have 24 hours in a day, but most all of them are committed these days with our infant, the start of the semester, and taking care of my sick wife (stomach flu :( ). I can find 38 minutes for Citizen Kane, but no offense, your video isn't exactly Citizen Kane.

    What, no option for dishonest atheist? :) I would say agnostic, or maybe just humanist, as I don't really think about the question of God too much anymore.
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    BTW Rade your assertions of Mr. Comfort are well covered in the video. They were made by the same professors who ended up speechless.
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    Ah the ole blind faith argument where all "faith" or belief is the same if one is unable to prove it. I have faith that a coin has a 50% chance of landing on heads. My son has faith that there is a 50% chance that a monster is under his bed. Yeah, those are the same.
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    First 44 years of my life (bolded). Wife, child? Perhaps you should make sure you got it right. No offense meant.
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    A person is shown a smarties box & asked, what do you believe is in the box? She sez smarties. Is that blind faith?
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    1) Changing amoeba to prokaryote, yes I'd say that it is most likely that every species on Earth evolved from a single species.

    2) Blind faith? No, I wouldn't agree with this. Instead, I would describe it as parsimony. Let's try an analogy. You are at home about to leave to pick up your wife from work on the other side of town. You go outside only to see her getting out of one of her coworker's car right outside the house. You didn't see her ride home, so does it require "blind faith" to believe that she probably got a ride home from her coworker?
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    Time for bed Doc. Or another beer?
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    As long as you are respectful, you won't offend me, mb. We all have our ways of seeing the world, and I personally love when my way interacts with those of others.

    When you say make sure that I got it right, are you speaking of my spiritual beliefs or my kid?
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    God created evolution to help carry out his plan :wink:
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    Spiritual beliefs..of course which influence your family as you are their leader. I'm sure you understand the Gospel even though you have rejected it.
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    If one believes in God I don't see how they can't at least consider that this could very well be true even if we don't have all parts of it figured out. An omnipotent being who could create the grandeur of a universe should surely be capable of this feat.
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    Micro yes. Macro nien. Unless your challenging the Bible.

    Watch the video. Might learn something. Don't be afraid.
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    rather than accusing others of being afraid, why don't you just post the points you want to make?

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