ESPN Recruiting Ranking last 5 yrs - 2nd, 4th, 12th, 1st, 5th

Discussion in 'Swamp Gas' started by Gotitsussed, Oct 14, 2013.

  1. Gotitsussed

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    You can debate the quality/reliability individual college football recruiting services but it is clear that we've had great recruiting success the last few years. Yes, there have been several key players leave for the NFL but that case can be made by all the top programs. Is it player development? Is it a few key positions that are impacting us? Are our expectations too high?
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    So those are Oregon's Rankings? Alabama's rankings?

    The team with that stock of players sure must be kicking major butt right now. I bet they avg 50pts/game.

    /sarcasm
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    Keep in mind Muschamp's classes are about 2/3 defense...i
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    I think our OL recruiting is an issue at this point. We have had several years of low numbers and this year looks like it will be another off year. TE also seems to be an issue although we did get two top recruits two years ago and we are still in the running for a couple of top guys this year.
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    We also had two highly touted TE's that left the program for various reasons. One transferred because he lost the starting spot to another player who was shown the door not long afterwards.

    Bet that individual wishes he stuck it out now...
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    Now the question is why are we struggling to get OL? Heck can't we just take some 2 and 3-star players and develop them for added depth? Sure seems better than whiffing on all the top OL and ending up with a shortage of players.
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    If just looking at rankings is how you grade a recruiting class then you really dont know what you are talking about. Also look at attrition at certain postions. BTW the team is 4-2. If we had played a typical cup cake instead of Miami this year we would be 5-1.
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    Two star lineman seldom, if ever, see the field in our league.

    Maybe a 3 star player, but with scholarship limits, you can't take too many chances with them.
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    And if we played vandy instead of LSU we could have an even better record. Not sure what that has to do with the question asked by the OP
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    Expectations are too high. We are getting there and the future is BRIGHT as long as Champ stays put.
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    We have exactly 1 player from that #5 class, who is out for the year

    11 of the 27 of that #1 class didn't pan out, transferred, or left for the NFL. 2 of them are starters who are out for the year injured

    9 of 19 in that #12 class have transferred


    So 40+% of what should be our Junior and Senior arent on the roster and 3 starters from those years are out for the year. While we're waiting for the freshman and sophomores to develop.
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    I don't know much about recruiting and what it takes to bring kids into a program to begin their player developement but the numbers above seem awfully high. 11 of 27 and 9 of 19 that were brought in but not part of the program now. From my perspective this is a reflection of the coaching staff if they bring players in that end up leaving. Can anyone provide some historical perspective? Am I off-base here?
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    either those rankings are way off or these recruits aren't getting much development at uf
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    You start counting with the last two classes ranked
    first and fifth.

    Then you wait until they grow while adding depth.

    Enjoy a watching the team grow up together
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    Urb left the cover bare with the 1st and 5th rated recruiting classes.
    Including players like Easley, Powell, Floyd, Elam, Dunbar, Burton, Patton, Orr, Riggs, Watkins, Tyler Murphy, Kitchens, Ball, Gillislee, Reed, Bostic, Jenkins.


    That is one myth I would love to end.
    He left this team with average offensive talent and elite level defensive talent.
    The cupboard was far from bare.
    Muschamp's 11-2 season last year was won with Urbs players.
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    Well the point I was trying to make were those 2 classes were largely Urbans recruits that came to play in a different system for a coach with a different personality. I am not blaming urban, he left us with good talent that we saw on display last year, but a good bit of that is gone, there was a down/transition year in recruiting in Muschamps first year (really 2 months of recruiting) and we're seeing that 2 years down the road now.
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    A lot of coaches have won by year 3 even with that transition year that a new coach has.
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    I remember back in 2002-3 that many Gators here wailed that Zook inherited the #3 team in the nation and drove it into the ground with an 8-5 record. This is sounding the same today.

    Except, of course, that:

    * Urban Meyer inherited the #3 team in the nation in 2010, and had HIS recruits for the past five years, and STILL went 8-5.

    * Urban Meyer inherited the defending MNC in 2007, and had five top ten classes (between him and Zook) on his team, and STILL finished 9-4.

    * Steve Spurrier inherited the #7 ranked team in the nation in 1992 and had five top ten classes (between him and Galen Hall) and went 9-4.

    * Steve Spurrier inherited the #5 ranked team in 1999 and had five top ten classes (all his recruits) before 1999 and still went 9-4.

    * Nick Saban inherited a MNC team in 2004, and had four top ten classes on his team (all his recruits), and he went 9-3.

    * Nick Saban inherited a MNC team in 2010, and had three top ranked classes (all his recruits) and went 10-3.

    There is a single commonality for all these examples.

    Experienced talent in a system that is suited for them.
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    Great recruiting classes by ranking but:

    - Awful OL recruiting (2 in '11 - meyer, 2 in '12 - CWM)
    - Unusually high defection rate during coaching transition (higher than normal due to dumpster inferno)
    - Unusually high injury rate

    If there's one place that you need to consistently recruit well, it's the Oline. Olinemen take a long time to mature into solid starters and may be the hardest place to do accurate talent eval. Never should we sign 2, and certainly not two years in a row.

    Meyer messed up, and Champ messed up, but it is what it is.

    We are f#<%ed on the OL and there's no quick fix. You can blame everything under the sun, but the only thing that's going to fix the problem is probably 2 years so let's throw our support behind these players and this staff and be Gators for God's sake.
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    These posts highlight important points to me. We haven't recruited well on the OL and a few other positions for four years and it shows on the field. WR is def improving but OL/TE are just not there and it shows on the field.


    On OL recruiting:
    2011= 0

    2012= 1(+2 transfers?)

    2013= 5 but there's a story. Trevon Young is a project, Octavius
    Jackson(not ranked high), Trenton Brown(long way to go), Rod
    Johnson(looks to be a baller).

    2014= Two decent OT prospects and an OG so far.

    Even on DL we haven't recruited well to this point. Our 2012 class had Fowler, McCallister, Cox, Quinteze Williams, Jafar Mann, Jarren Reed. Mann and Williams are gone, McCallister and Bryan Cox aren't elite SEC players and may never be LSU/UGA/Bama level starters. So we have Fowler(all-world) and Jarren Reed(SR) as DL from that class.

    Last year's DL class is strong but that class is two seasons away- if they all stay- from being ready.

    Sometimes on paper a class looks great, and as fans we have faith that if our staff took an 80th ranked player they found a gem that was flying under the radar. Well, most of the time those don't work out.

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