ESPN QB ratings Murphy #1 in NCAA for best game

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    Murphy had #1 best rated game in NCAA so far this year against Tenn.

    Also, #11 in NCAA for this week's game against Arky.

    Pretty neat to be in the qb conversations again!
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    Yea, I was just looking at that too. I quickly skimmed the list to see if I could find Driskel....looks like his name has been removed now. I wanna say when he was on the list he was at #110 or there abouts? Regardless of what we think about ESPN's QBR formula....a difference of 100 spots is pretty glaring.

    Here's to hoping TM has an excellent game against LSU!
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    not trying to re-hash any arguments, just honestly wanted to share good news that I found!
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    Well he's discussing individual games.

    If Murphy qualified for stats, he'd be 6th in the nation based on efficiency rating and 3rd based on ESPN's stupid QBR.
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    ESPN's stupid qbr? They have to evaluate them somehow. It seems as good an indicator as any. FSU's qb is super high and he should be, the guy's amazing.
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    Stupid or not, a 100 spot difference when theres only 112 spots is........uhhh......rather large?
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    What is the problem with QBR?

    From what I've seen it looks like a better overall indicator of QB performance than passer rating.

    For example, the idea that a 5 yard play when you need 4 yards is worth more than a 5 yard play when you need 6 yards sounds right on target to me.
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    You certainly wont find an argument with me, brother. To be the starting QB for any FBS team is an honor. With that honor comes accolades and criticism.
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    I wont pretend to know the in's and out's of the QBR mechanics. I simply look at the top of the list and see names like:
    -Jameis Winston
    -Aaron Murray
    -Zach Mettenberger
    -Johnny Manziel
    -Teddy Bridgewater

    and think "OK...seems pretty accurate."
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    I can agree with that but a lot of these ratings seem to include too much external input. Who's to say the WR didn't run the route a yard or two short, juked back behind the line to gain, etc.? As it is the rating already depends on the receiver getting open, catching the ball, and the line providing enough time.

    That being said, I think most of these metrics do a good job sorting the good from the poor. They just fail in the nuance.
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    Well, QB efficiency has typically been a good indicator. I will never understand the desire to combine two different facets of the game into a single stat, as if people are incapable of understanding them separately.

    Well it wasn't really a 100 spot difference. With Tyler at #6, Jeff would have been at around #60.
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    I can't disagree with that.

    I'm just saying the Total QBR compared to the old Passer Rating seems to come a lot closer to measuring the effectiveness of a QB's play. And certainly levels the field for dual threat QBs or running QBs who may be very effective QBs, even if the passing portion of their game is not as strong as some throwing QBs.
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    I'd say it tends to favor mobile QBs, honestly.
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    Youre right. Jeff was
    #60 in Week 1 and
    #47 in Week 2.
    Week 3 - bye
    TM #1 in Week 4
    TM #9 in Week 5
    TM #11 in Week 6

    JD QBR Avg ranking - #54
    TM QBR Avg ranking - #7
    47 spot difference, not 100.
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    Yay! Tyler Murphy is rated high on QB Metric X! Now, logically, we should find out where Driskel was so we can point out the gap between the two and further disparage him.
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    What is it about that Tennessee game that rates it so high on espn's scale? It was a good game statistically, nothing mind-blowing.
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    I don't understand the metric well enough to comment on whether it favors running QBs... I just think it's a good idea to look at QB performance in a bigger picture than passing stats, and including how well he contributes to moving the chains and getting in the end zone makes sense, whether by his arm or his feet.

    The specifics in how you weight those things should be open to review/discussion.
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    *yawn
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    Grow up.
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    I'm just not sure this necessarily needs to combine those two facets into a single "best QB" rating. I think it's inherently faulty.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/kerry_byrne/08/03/defending-qb-rating/index.html

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