Ed Schultz blames Detroit's failure on GOP policies

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    He's not much different than people saying its Democratic policies. Detroit isnt a bubble that exists independently of larger forces at work or higher-level political policy choices. It shouldnt be a partisan thing at all, but that won't stop people from using it to confirm their own bias or world view.
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    There is not nearly the grey area you wish there to be here. It is a highly dubious premise that extra-municipal policy is going to effect municipal outcomes as much, let alone more, than the actual municipalities own will. Besides which, it's not like Michigan has been run by Republicans more than Democrats over a similar period, and then nationally, it's probably tilted Democrat, too. So, even if we adopt this dubious premise -- whose policies? When were Republicans ever, ever in a position to so unilaterally, over so long a duration, to impose any policy on Detroit that the Democrats running the city itself have enjoyed?

    They haven't. It's a crock, and Schultz is a fool and a liar. Detroit did this to itself. It wasn't the population leaving, it was the idiot policies that made it a better idea to leave than to stay. It was that they have $11 billion in unsecured loans and that $9 billion is just pensions.
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    Do you really believe this?

    The city had no responsibility in it's own policies that drove it into bankruptcy?

    What do these elected officials do while in office? Nothing? According to you they don't manage anything or make any decisions, the feds do it for them, they just follow the leaders.

    Dream on! Nice try though!

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    The Dems blame everything on someone esle and it starts from the top.
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    pretty silly rant by Schulz
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    Detroit, the liberal UTOPIA. Bankrupt. More to come. Eventually it will be the USA. Congrats libs..
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    Why shouldn't it be partisan?
    In 1960 Detroit had the highest per capita income in the world ,was called the Paris of the west.Employment was high, crime was down ,it was a great city, with a republican mayor.
    In 1961 a democrat mayor was elected. making all kinds of promises. The city took on different programs, started more hanout programs, gave in to practically every demand, these changes gradually brought on the demise of Detroit. When government acts like a kid in a candy shop and has no responsibility about what it is doing, results will fail.
    So when all these dem policies fail, don't go around blaming everything but the real problem.
    Ed Shulz has always been and will always be a political hack, who makes assinine and ignorant comments.
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    This is dumb, We all know the Dems drove that car into the ditch, and it's getting ready to fall off the cliff. Fat-bastard ...err... Ed Schultz is a complete moron.
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    Now this is a funny post.

    Oh, I am sorry, you were actually serious.
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    Deflect and project.... not working.
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    Here's a little more thorough and intelligent look at what happened to Detroit:

    link
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    The downturn started with a riot, then the loss of jobs in the auto industry.

    Neither were votes from politicians.
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    So why didn't Pittsburgh go bank'y?

    Pittsburgh was also a one trick pony, when the bottom fell out of the Steel industry.

    Pittsburgh was at least at dependent on steel, as Detroit on the automobile.

    Simple answer: Leadership.

    Pittsburgh (and PA) recognized its weakness, and made changes, before it became too late.

    Detroit just promised more and more, and delivered less and less...

    Actually, when it comes down to it--I think the bank'y judge tipped her hand, and betrayed their expectations--they figured Barry and his federal pocket book would save them, so they didn't bother to take any responsiblity, until the water was well over the Hull, and into the cabin...

    After all, the feds saved GM--surely they'd save Detroit too.

    Alas, Barry has no re-election to worry about...and so *choke-choke* goes the motor city...
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    Another analysis that seems predicated on the idea that people have moved out of the city purely to be mean to minorities and the poor, and not because they had their own personal and economic best interests in mind. You want people to stay in the cities, stop driving them out. Nobody has a duty, moral or legal, to stay in human filing cabinets for no relevant purpose other than to be an economic feedbag for lavish municipal excess and mismanagement.
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    Ed Schultz is an idiot of near Biblical proportions...
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    Allegheny Technologies is building the largest, fastest and most powerful hot strip steel mill in the world upstream from Pittsburg.

    It will cost 1.2 billion to build and is a four to five decade investment.

    Steel is still a big part of Pittsburg.
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    Interestingly, there hasn't been a Republican mayor of Pittsburgh since the 1930s either for those trying to make this a purely partisan issue.

    However, the difference between Detroit and Pittsburgh is that Pittsburgh has a set of 2 major research universities (Pitt and CMU) from which to develop a nice financial services, tech, and healthcare oriented economy. If Michigan or Michigan State were in the Detroit city limits, we would probably not be discussing this. If CMU or Pitt was not in Pittsburgh, we would have likely had this discussion years ago about that city.
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    One can be a Democrat without being a statist/entitlement/redistributionist dunderhead, and Pittsburgh has managed to avoid the worst sort. Detroit has not.

    I think this is a very dubious premise. Look at Chicago, which is charging over the cliff behind Detroit by a decade or so; no shortage of prominent universities there. Atlanta, too. Los Angeles, too.
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    The point isn't that Pittsburgh is a model city--it's that the Steel City was able to survive, arguably even rebound to an extent, by adjusting, while the Motor City just...rotted--and continues to rot (the bank'y only stems the obligations--it doesn't stop the decay on a dime).

    I simply volunteered the obvious comparison, to dispel the notion that the leadership couldn't have done anything. Sure--not in 2012, when they finally decided to attempt some sort of salvation (really, more of a Hail Mary, than a genuine effort to salvage).

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