Due to Florida's SYG law we have yet another unnecessary killing

Discussion in 'Too Hot for Swamp Gas' started by chompalot, Jun 15, 2013.

  1. Tasselhoff
    Offline

    Tasselhoff Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    2,214
    Likes Received:
    58
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +173
    Please name an instance when someone decided they did not lime someone, started a confrontation, gunned the guy down and suffered no consequences.
    And before calling oit TM vs. GZ you might want to wait until all the facts and all the evidence is in. Plus...GZ isn't using syg.

    Despite how some want to protray this law as a return to the wild wild west.... it isn't. It is carte blanche to kill or gun down someone. It is a right to defend yourself when bejng threatened and attacked.

    Do I think it needs tweaking? Sure. Most laws do though.
    Do I think it is the reason for thousands of murders every year....not remotely.
  2. PIMking
    Offline

    PIMking New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    895
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tuscaloosa, AL (Ft. Myers)
    Ratings Received:
    +895
    the only thing that makes this different than a normal murder case is that Florida has a stupid worded law that this guy is trying to use and an excuse to murder someone.

    You do know that you're more likely to be shot by a cop than someone with a CCL right?

    This is just another sensless murder if you want to belive it but both parties are questionable in the first place.

    drugs + strip club + gun - common sense = Someone dying

    You have a haven for gun control and no stand your ground law in Chicago but they're the murder capital of the world. So if we didn't have the stand your ground people would still get shot and killed regardless of your mythical utopia that you have in your head
  3. vangator1
    Offline

    vangator1 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    2,309
    Likes Received:
    76
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Ratings Received:
    +163
    Sounds like SYG doesn't apply. The security guard's life wasn't in danger. He shot the guys while they were still in the car. Shot one in the back.

    SYG is an excellent law. Zimmermann is getting screwed. I hope he walks and sues everybody for as much as he can get.
  4. gator85jd
    Offline

    gator85jd New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2009
    Messages:
    5,893
    Likes Received:
    65
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +65
    When you use the term "gun nuts" are you including the crack heads and other street thugs? The ones who, when robbing someone, will put a bullet in the victim's head even though the victim is complying with their demands? Probably you aren't including them, because SYG would hopefully make the crack heads fear that their victim could be CCW.

    The case at hand likely doesn't qualify for SYG, so quit your crying.
  5. GatorAvatar
    Offline

    GatorAvatar New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    5,794
    Likes Received:
    169
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +170
    Public pressure got him arrested. Without the outcry he would have never been tried.
  6. GatorAvatar
    Offline

    GatorAvatar New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    5,794
    Likes Received:
    169
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +170
    So if these guys weren't eagle scouts, they deserve to be killed? If they were reading bible verses would that have made their lives more important?
  7. PIMking
    Offline

    PIMking New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    895
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tuscaloosa, AL (Ft. Myers)
    Ratings Received:
    +895
    But he was arrested and will be brought before a court of law for it. Regardless of public outcry or not, Public outcry is what got Michael Jackson off.

    But this is the same public outcry that tries to make martin look like an angel
  8. GatorAvatar
    Offline

    GatorAvatar New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2010
    Messages:
    5,794
    Likes Received:
    169
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Ratings Received:
    +170
    I don't know what you are talking about to be honest. You are missing the point. Go back to your post that I quoted and see what you wrote.
  9. PIMking
    Offline

    PIMking New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2009
    Messages:
    10,535
    Likes Received:
    895
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Location:
    Tuscaloosa, AL (Ft. Myers)
    Ratings Received:
    +895
    it doesn't matter whether it was public outcry or not, he was arrested
  10. candymanfromgc
    Offline

    candymanfromgc Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    5,296
    Likes Received:
    104
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Ratings Received:
    +275
    If I'm charged for murder and my best chance at aquittle is to plead insanity-I'm going to do so. That doesn't make an insanity defense bad-just abused. If I'm this guy he has most likely been told by his attorney this is his best defense. Doesn't make the defense bad -just perhaps abused.
  11. Lawdog88
    Offline

    Lawdog88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    30,226
    Likes Received:
    482
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Inside the War Room, No Name City, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +1,660

    As I understand it Jeff, the main reaction in passing the law was to make certain that wives and mothers getting out of their cars at the mall, would have a choice to fire the first shot at would-be carjackers.

    I can't disagree with that.
  12. BobK89
    Offline

    BobK89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    11,751
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +289
    There was nothing from the accused about invoking SYG as a defense. The only mention of SYG is from the atty for the family of the deceased victim.
  13. MichiGator2002
    Offline

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    15,716
    Likes Received:
    412
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,784
    And, of course, from the broad categorical rantings from whence came this thread. Like the other compare/contrast thread in which SYG was not a factor in one of the cases... but why should a detail like that matter?
  14. fastsix
    Offline

    fastsix Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2007
    Messages:
    6,345
    Likes Received:
    221
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Seattle
    Ratings Received:
    +1,009
    And as long as you kill the person, no one will ever know whether they were a carjacker, or just someone who "looked like" a carjacker - they'll just have to take your word for it.
  15. MichiGator2002
    Offline

    MichiGator2002 VIP Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    15,716
    Likes Received:
    412
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,784
    And if we lived in a world where sane and rational people had reason to assume that their neighbors have just been looking for a pretense to shoot some black folk, that would be a valid concern.
  16. rivergator
    Online

    rivergator Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    Messages:
    31,529
    Likes Received:
    342
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Ratings Received:
    +1,641
    I don't get this. Yeah, they were at a strip club rolling a joint. OK to shoot them? IF they were quoting Bible verses and he overheard them intending to smite someone?

    Otherwise, I don't see that the SYG law caused this. It's just the intended defense.
  17. fastsix
    Offline

    fastsix Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 11, 2007
    Messages:
    6,345
    Likes Received:
    221
    Trophy Points:
    63
    Location:
    Seattle
    Ratings Received:
    +1,009
    Why are you bringing race into it? Doesn't matter what color the person is. Someone sketchy looking comes up to your car looking for some spare change, you're scared, you shoot and kill them, claim it was SYG against the "carjacker". Your word vs. the dead person. It's a great law for people who are scared of their own shadow.
  18. BobK89
    Offline

    BobK89 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2007
    Messages:
    11,751
    Likes Received:
    86
    Trophy Points:
    48
    Location:
    Tampa, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +289
    FWIW, I work with a few former asst. State Attorneys and Public Defenders who are convinced the SYG law allows one criminal to kill another.

    Sent from my iPhone using GatorCountry
  19. Minister_of_Information
    Offline

    Minister_of_Information I'm your huckleberry Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2007
    Messages:
    13,741
    Likes Received:
    556
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Location:
    In my prime
    Ratings Received:
    +970
    I actually agree with fastsix for a change: SYG is a bad law. That said, people ought to be able to defend others proactively from unlawful force, which is the one good aspect of SYG IMO.
  20. Lawdog88
    Offline

    Lawdog88 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2007
    Messages:
    30,226
    Likes Received:
    482
    Trophy Points:
    83
    Location:
    Inside the War Room, No Name City, FL
    Ratings Received:
    +1,660

    There would have to be some sort of objective evidence of a felony being attempted and / or committed, you know, such as witnesses, mall security video, weapon found on the ground beside the decedent, etc., for Granny to pass the smell test. You know, like you might find in a normal police investigation.

    Unless Granny was just waiting to pick somebody off with her Glock, and somebody got close enough for her to do it. But that might fit with your hyperbole better.

Share This Page